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Analysis: Tesla Pickup Truck Battery Size, Range, & 0-60-MPH Time

Our model suggests that the upcoming Tesla Pickup Truck will have a 200 kWh battery, 380-mile range, and a 3.9 second 0-60-mph time.

We don’t know much about the specifics of the Tesla Pickup Truck but what we do know was summarized in an Electrek article: Tesla pickup truck-Everything we know so far.

Here’s a summary:

  • It’s going to be a big truck.
    • Musk said that it will feature a step that will lower to step into the truck and he said that Andre the Giant will be able to fit in the driver’s seat.
  • The Tesla Truck is going to be a 6-seater.
  • It’s going to have an option for 400 to 500 miles of range “maybe higher”
    • Musk previously said that platforms like the Model S and Model X would probably be capped at 125 kWh of energy capacity, but he said that the truck platform will offer an opportunity for a much bigger battery pack.
  • Dual-motor, all-wheel-drive powertrain with dynamic suspension will be standard on the truck.
  • The truck will have a 240-volt connection for heavy-duty tools and even an air compressor to run air tools.
    • The second part was a suggestion that Musk liked since the truck will already have a pneumatic system for the air suspension.
  • ‘300,000 lbs of towing capacity’.
    • That’s another tweet where you have to ask yourself ‘is he kidding?’, but he is most often not. Though I’d bet the actual rated capacity is going to be much lower and like the Model X, owners will be able to push the truck further.
  • It will be able to float.
    • Musk referenced how the Model S is able to, but that’s up to a certain degree and it’s obviously not recommended.
  • The Tesla Truck will have lockers.
  • Musk said that ‘it will look like a truck’.
    • I take this as he is not planning an overly different design because it’s electric. He mentioned that he likes the design of the old Bronco.

In order to run our performance model, we had to turn the above description into a set of specific assumptions. A brief discussion of some of the more pertinent assumptions follows below.

Battery size: 200 kWh with weight reduced 5% for further improvements between now and when the pickup is released by Tesla.

Motor size: We used two Model 3 performance rear motors @ 300 HP each for a total of 600 HP

Size and Aero Drag: This should be simple right? It’s a “big” truck according to Musk, but big is a relative term. We used the F150 Raptor for our frontal area calculations. One could argue we picked too small. We’ve seen renderings of the Tesla pick up with an F150 in its bed. So, yes, I suppose we picked one too small but everything’s a compromise. Bigger just means more aero drag and drag force goes up with the velocity squared. More drag=bigger battery, so Raptor size seemed a good compromise.

Cd: We used the same as the Tesla semi=.36 since the shape in the renderings is similar to the Tesla semitruck. Also, Chrysler 1500 Regular Cab 4×2 has a drag coefficient of 0.360.

Ford F150 Raptor frontal area used in drag calcs.-34 ft2 frontal area.

Weight: This was a tough one. We started with Raptor weight, took out the engine and transmission then added 200 kWh of battery. For battery weight, we used the density of the Model 3 battery pack and reduced it another 5% for improvements between now and when the pickup is released. Model 3 pack is 13.1 #/kwh. That put our 200-kWh battery at 2490# and the total curb weight at 7640# for the Tesla pickup. As a crude comparison, two Model S P100D’s weigh just shy of 10,000 pounds. One could argue we did not pull enough weight out of the Raptor, but on the other hand the Raptor is 1000# lighter than an F250 w/Power stroke diesel. Therefore, we rounded up from 7640# to 8000# for the Tesla pickup. So we are 2000# lighter than two Tesla P100D’s and a tad heavier than a Raptor (minus engine and transmission plus 200-kWh battery).

Tires: We used raptor tires= BFG 315/70 R17 All Terrain T/A K02 tires with 604 revs per mile. For a rolling resistance, we used .0126 coefficient. We made an effort to go on the high side with rolling resistance since the Raptor has a fairly aggressive tread. For comparison, a typical low rolling resistance class 8 semitruck tire can be as low as .006 coefficient. We use .011 for the 19” model 3 tires. We bumped that number up by another 15% to get the RR coefficient for the Tesla pickup truck. Perhaps a touch high, but we had to start somewhere.

Gear Ratios: Once we had tire size we could size the gear ratios based on an assumption of max vehicle speed and max motor RPM. Gear ratios selected have a big influence on the 0-60-mph times. We ended up with a 15-to-1 gear ratio with a vehicle top speed of 110 mph, so we are slightly lower than the semi gear ratio but quite a bit higher than the sedans. Also, we used the same gear ratio in both front and back … probably not correct, but good enough for this stage of the game.

There are quite a few more assumptions that go into the model. A full list is presented below.

 

List of input parameters
Input parameter values

What do you think of the results. 200 kWh “feels right” to us. A 0-60-mph time faster than any other pickup on the street and 380 miles range is good.

Hmm … sounds expensive!!

How much money do you have?

Let us know if you have better assumptions or spot an error in the ones we have listed. We will keep your suggestions in mind for any future model refinements.

Thanks for reading.

George and Keith

This article originally appeared on Inside EVs.

Poobearcretu

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What about the price tag? Perhaps around $80k? Tesla has to find a way to make the price of it lower so it can compete with gas trucks in the truck category. Maybe Tesla might go with the T-150 Model so make Ford mad with their F-150. Haha, who knows? Great post and I hope more info comes soon. E

Everyone mark March 19th (I think ) in their calendar for the Model Y unveiling, and perhaps a glimpse of the Tesla pick up.
 

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If it can pull over 10k lbs, able to add 5th wheel/gooseneck attachment, and go over 150-200mi real world range pulling that weight, sign me up!
 

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I think they'll go for something more aerodynamic so they can use less battery. If they can keep the Cd at .26, the reference area at 35 square feet, and the curb weight at 7,000 pounds, they should be able to get about 220+ miles of range at 75mph when not towing, and probably about the same towing at 55mph. The EPA rated range should be 300+ miles.
 
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This would put the truck over the vehicle weight required to fully depreciate in the first year. That is a huge benefit (or loophole) for business use. Combine that with some sort of federal and local EV credits and you have a compelling ROI.
 

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Cmon now don't tell me under 400 range, I want one badly but that could be a dealbreaker. I have 700+ miles of range
and often go on 500mi each way trips. The trip takes just over 7 hours now. If I go to the Tesla route planner and use
the longest model available (335mi) It spits out 10hr 19min

Give us durability, capability, reliability and 500mi of range for a decent price and you will have millions of reservations.
 

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Cmon now don't tell me under 400 range, I want one badly but that could be a dealbreaker. I have 700+ miles of range
and often go on 500mi each way trips. The trip takes just over 7 hours now. If I go to the Tesla route planner and use
the longest model available (335mi) It spits out 10hr 19min

Give us durability, capability, reliability and 500mi of range for a decent price and you will have millions of reservations.
It's going to be hard to match the non-towing range of a full sized pickup with a huge tank (or dual tanks). Just focus on how much that 400 mile range will save you at each fill up. :)
 

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What about the price tag? Perhaps around $80k? Tesla has to find a way to make the price of it lower so it can compete with gas trucks in the truck category. Maybe Tesla might go with the T-150 Model so make Ford mad with their F-150. Haha, who knows? Great post and I hope more info comes soon. E

Everyone mark March 19th (I think ) in their calendar for the Model Y unveiling, and perhaps a glimpse of the Tesla pick up.

The average sales price for a F-150 is over $50K. High end sales are huge. Ford makes 20-30K Ford F-150 Raptors per year. 90% of these retail for well over $70K. With fuel savings $80K is not far off the mark.
 
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The average sales price for a F-150 is over $50K. High end sales are huge. Ford makes 20-30K Ford F-150 Raptors per year. 90% of these retail for well over $70K. With fuel savings $80K is not far off the mark.
I think people forget just how pimped out many trucks are. Pick ups are a lifestyle item for many people, not just something utilitarian.
 

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I think people forget just how pimped out many trucks are. Pick ups are a lifestyle item for many people, not just something utilitarian.
It really has been an arms race, and you can fit a lot of 'stuff' in these vehicles. They've basically made the supercrew into the large family SUV. People think my pickup looks nice but then they see the inside and it is always a shock. Hey, just press the button on the side of the seat and it turns on the massage. Oh you want it heated too? No problem. Hows everyone in the back? Are your seats cold?

Here is the competition, you can have this for $60,000
2016-ford-f-150-limited-interior-view.jpg


It'll go through a foot of snow, haul a pile of dirt, massage your back, do a lot of things by voice control, tow a boat, and go 800 miles on the highway on a full tank of gas.

Your competition is also this, which can be had for under $30,000. No luxuries, but it just works.
543c234c689420d479d96809368f679dx.jpg
 
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It really has been an arms race, and you can fit a lot of 'stuff' in these vehicles. They've basically made the supercrew into the large family SUV. People think my pickup looks nice but then they see the inside and it is always a shock. Hey, just press the button on the side of the seat and it turns on the massage. Oh you want it heated too? No problem. Hows everyone in the back? Are your seats cold?

Here is the competition, you can have this for $60,000


It'll go through a foot of snow, haul a pile of dirt, massage your back, do a lot of things by voice control, tow a boat, and go 800 miles on the highway on a full tank of gas.

Your competition is also this, which can be had for under $30,000. No luxuries, but it just works.
Right. The higher end trims are actually really nice. It's going to be difficult to design a vehicle that can fit both categories. I assume Tesla will target the top of the line due to profitability and probably due to customer desire. I'd have to guess that "fancy" PU drivers are more likely to switch to electric.

The 6k gross vehicle weight 100% deprecation rule definitely impacts the high end pick up market as well.
 

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Right. The higher end trims are actually really nice. It's going to be difficult to design a vehicle that can fit both categories. I assume Tesla will target the top of the line due to profitability and probably due to customer desire. I'd have to guess that "fancy" PU drivers are more likely to switch to electric.

The 6k gross vehicle weight 100% deprecation rule definitely impacts the high end pick up market as well.
If the first ones really do cost 100k, then you're going to get the mall crawler crowd who might be driving an escalade otherwise.
If Musk means business, then he needs to drop a good truck for a similar price right into the mix of Ram/Silverado/F150.
F150 drivers aren't buying for 0-60 time or 'self driving' capabilities and they won't tolerate waiting months for parts. People
make their living with these vehicles so you can't f- around. Landscapers, carpenters, plumbers, etc etc they are not going to
wait 4 weeks for an appointment and 8 weeks for parts... and that loaner vehicle had better be a truck.
 

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If the first ones really do cost 100k, then you're going to get the mall crawler crowd who might be driving an escalade otherwise.
If Musk means business, then he needs to drop a good truck for a similar price right into the mix of Ram/Silverado/F150.
F150 drivers aren't buying for 0-60 time or 'self driving' capabilities and they won't tolerate waiting months for parts. People
make their living with these vehicles so you can't f- around. Landscapers, carpenters, plumbers, etc etc they are not going to
wait 4 weeks for an appointment and 8 weeks for parts... and that loaner vehicle had better be a truck.
The option to run power tools directly from the vehicle could be huge on the job site. Heck, keep 10 F-150s around for hauling and add a Tesla into the mix so you don't need to bring generators etc.

Definitely the work crowd would desire a cheaper price without FSD etc. EAP would be great for long hauls but I don't see how it could handle towing.
 

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"The Tesla Truck will have lockers"

There are better diffs - with better traction than lockers.
AND allow you to go around corners!
AND reduce fuel / energy consumption!
AND help save the environment, by not tearing it up.
 

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It really has been an arms race, and you can fit a lot of 'stuff' in these vehicles. They've basically made the supercrew into the large family SUV. People think my pickup looks nice but then they see the inside and it is always a shock. Hey, just press the button on the side of the seat and it turns on the massage. Oh you want it heated too? No problem. Hows everyone in the back? Are your seats cold?

Here is the competition, you can have this for $60,000
2016-ford-f-150-limited-interior-view.jpg


It'll go through a foot of snow, haul a pile of dirt, massage your back, do a lot of things by voice control, tow a boat, and go 800 miles on the highway on a full tank of gas.

Your competition is also this, which can be had for under $30,000. No luxuries, but it just works.
543c234c689420d479d96809368f679dx.jpg
I think someone will need a little more money than that unless they just want to store their truck in their garage. ;)
 

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If the first ones really do cost 100k, then you're going to get the mall crawler crowd who might be driving an escalade otherwise.
If Musk means business, then he needs to drop a good truck for a similar price right into the mix of Ram/Silverado/F150.
F150 drivers aren't buying for 0-60 time or 'self driving' capabilities and they won't tolerate waiting months for parts. People
make their living with these vehicles so you can't f- around. Landscapers, carpenters, plumbers, etc etc they are not going to
wait 4 weeks for an appointment and 8 weeks for parts... and that loaner vehicle had better be a truck.
Watched a documentary about shale/fracking in North Dakota and it seemed everyone had F-150/Ram sized super trucks.

BUT in my town I see super trucks that don't get left outside in the rain, let alone go off road. With nearly 2 million sold each year you have all kinds of customers. And some claim big luxury sedan sales down as owners "trade up" to luxury pickups.
[ I only think I know, what I think I read ]
 

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Watched a documentary about shale/fracking in North Dakota and it seemed everyone had F-150/Ram sized super trucks.

BUT in my town I see super trucks that don't get left outside in the rain, let alone go off road. With nearly 2 million sold each year you have all kinds of customers. And some claim big luxury sedan sales down as owners "trade up" to luxury pickups.
[ I only think I know, what I think I read ]
doubt that. it is all about the suvs. pickup sales have always been great. f150 has been tops in the usa since the 70s.
only big change i can see is the 'arms race' over the last decade to shove everything they can into a pickup and chaarge a premium
 

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doubt that. it is all about the suvs. pickup sales have always been great. f150 has been tops in the usa since the 70s.
only big change i can see is the 'arms race' over the last decade to shove everything they can into a pickup and chaarge a premium
I had no idea how many pickup sold in US - check it out
U.S. light truck sales 1980-2017 | Statistic
2 million 1980 to 11 million in 2017 - check above for details over time.
 
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What about the price tag? Perhaps around $80k? Tesla has to find a way to make the price of it lower so it can compete with gas trucks in the truck category. Maybe Tesla might go with the T-150 Model so make Ford mad with their F-150. Haha, who knows? Great post and I hope more info comes soon. E

Everyone mark March 19th (I think ) in their calendar for the Model Y unveiling, and perhaps a glimpse of the Tesla pick up.
$80K? My guess would be twice that much. You are not going to build a vehicle with that kind of range for $80K. Remember that range and battery size are not linear. The weight of the battery becomes so great that it takes more battery to push it -- which is more weight...
 

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I had no idea how many pickup sold in US - check it out
U.S. light truck sales 1980-2017 | Statistic
2 million 1980 to 11 million in 2017 - check above for details over time.
Best selling vehicle USA 2017
1. F Series 900k
2. Silverado/Sierra 800k
3. Ram 500k
4. Toyota Rav 4 400k (The sedans used to be 4,5,6 on the list after the trucks. Here is where all the sedan sales are going)
5. Nissan Rogue 400k
6. Toyota Camry 390K
7. Honda CRV 380K

If you go back to 2010 (randomly chosen)
1. F150
2. Silverado/sierra
3. Camry
4. accord
5. Corolla
6. Civic
7. Altima
8. Fusion
9. CRV(first SUV on list)
10.Ram
11. malibu
12. Sonata
13. Escape (2nd suv on list)

in 2010 only 2 of the top 15 vehicle sales were SUVs (9,13)
in 2017 7 of the top 15 sales were SUVs (4,5,7,11,12,13,15)

interesting swing by americans. SUVs are getting more efficient, more competition, better price levels. I don't think people are going to switch back to a smaller vehicle.
 
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