Tesla: Mercedes A-Class EV

dpeilow · Dec 9, 2010

I wonder if there are two "camps" within MB, those that want the Tesla solution and those that want the in-house (Evonik) one? Maybe these guys have been tasked with promoting the A Class in Europe but want the local solution, so they rubbish the competition.

stopcrazypp · Dec 9, 2010

PopSmith said:
Plus Daimler saying the pack's life expectancy is only 4-years/60,000-miles isn't doing EVs any favor. I thought I remember reading here on the forum that the Roadster ESS had a expected life span of 7 years/100,000 mi back at the beginning of 2009.

For the miles rating, since the A-class has less range when full charged (about 155 miles), that is 155 miles * 500 cycles (assuming cycle life hasn't changed) = 77500 miles
If they are not doing as much thermal management, it isn't unusual to see the calendar life drop dramatically either (temperature plays a big part in life expectancy).

Jaff · Dec 9, 2010

Sorry dp, I'm not up to speed on this...what is Evonik?
Are they a separate battery manufacturing company that MB owns in whole or in part?

dpeilow said:
I wonder if there are two "camps" within MB, those that want the Tesla solution and those that want the in-house (Evonik) one? Maybe these guys have been tasked with promoting the A Class in Europe but want the local solution, so they rubbish the competition.

dpeilow · Dec 9, 2010

In a nut shell, yes.

Jaff · Dec 10, 2010

So what do you think...would MB hold a larger financial stake in Evonik than they do in TM?

With a stake in TM, I'm not sure what overall good would come to their asset from MB trashing TM's work...I always thought that if TM's products performed well, but financial constraints overwhelmed the company, that both MB & Toyota would acquire major positions in TM...

dpeilow said:
In a nut shell, yes.

TEG · Dec 10, 2010

Old/related articles:
Daimler to bring lithium batteries in-house through JV with Evonik
Daimler and Evonik invest €200M more for ten-fold li-ion cell production boost by 2013

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLF68004520081215

...Daimler, which is also the world's biggest truckmaker, will hold 90 percent of {the} joint venture for lithium-ion batteries. Daimler will also acquire nearly half of Evonik unit Li-Tec as part of the deal.

doug · Dec 21, 2010

vfx · Dec 22, 2010

The plug is on the roof!!?

:wink:

kvietor · Dec 22, 2010

No, I think it's a cut away to the passenger side over the rear wheel.

meloccom · Dec 24, 2010

kvietor said:
No, I think it's a cut away to the passenger side over the rear wheel.

Yep,
Thats where the gas\petrol filler is on my A Class ICE.

doug · Dec 24, 2010

kvietor said:
No, I think it's a cut away to the passenger side over the rear wheel.

ummm... yeah.. for the newbies, vfx was joking.

vfx · Dec 28, 2010

Whaaaa...

I had a smiley there...

suxxer · Jan 3, 2011

With all the weight on the front axle, this is going to be a very unsporty ride .....

dpeilow · Jan 27, 2011

Clay model of new A-Class

doug · Mar 17, 2011

From this interview with Dr. Christian Mohrdieck, Daimler’s director of fuel cell and battery drive development:

How active is your partnership with Tesla?

It’s very active. Actually, I visited them today. They’re delivering batteries for two of our vehicles, the Smart and the A-Class. In order to have enough energy on the A-class E-cell, we put two batteries from the Smart EV, and we connected the batteries in a certain way. They are working together, to provide approximately 36 kWh. We have a lot room in this double floor (on the A-Class and B-Class) under the passenger compartment, and two batteries used in the Smart easily fit into the A-Class.

AndrewBissell · Mar 17, 2011

With 36 kWh this should be a genuine every day come what may 100 mile range EV.

Talkredius · Apr 20, 2011

TEG said:
And SILVER too? : AutoTech Video: We Drive Elon Musks Personal Tesla Roadster Sport

Does anyone recognize the car after 0:42 in the left upper corner ? It looks as if it is charged, MB A-Class perhaps ?

doug · Apr 20, 2011

Talkredius said:
Does anyone recognize the car after 0:42 in the left upper corner ? It looks as if it is charged, MB A-Class perhaps ?

Yeah, it's an A-Class E-cell again, as we've seen in that facility before.

doug · Apr 20, 2011

Btw, this is from last September: More details about the Mercedes A-Class E-Cell | Automotor Blog

The autonomy of the A-Class E-Cell is around 200 km while the top speed achieved is 150 km/h. Two lithium-ion batteries of 18 kWh each power the electric engine and provides a 8 hour charging time.

Notice the same pack form factor as in the Tesla converted RAV4 EV.

widodh · Apr 20, 2011

There is a Dutch cab company which uses A-Class EV's with that specs: Wagenpark - Greencab Prestige Taxicentrale

Not sure if they are the Tesla models though?

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