Recent content by electronblue

Obviously I disagree with your interpretation of Tesla’s claim (as well as how I view a reasonable person would take it) hence I posted my disagreement.

I would agree such a statement would be a useful start to fixing things, if they really are that much behind from their existing claims like ”Level 5 no geofence feature complete” ... ”at end of 2019”.

That is not what Tesla claimed on Autonomy Investor Day. On Autonomy Investor Day earlier in 2019 Tesla claimed ”feature complete” meant ”Level 5 no geofence”. That claim is very different from ”City NOA feature complete”.

I am concerned Tesla lied when they said they expected to be ”Level 5 no geofence feature complete” at the end of 2019. This lie would be concerning on multiple levels, not only from lying to customers and market perspective, but from the perspective that Tesla would for some reason need to...

I think it can be argued Tesla would have done just as well or even better had they not made the lofty ”sleep in your car” Level 5 no geofence ”feature complete” promises for AP2/3 in 2016-2019 and just focused on great BEV technology and gradual AP progress. I continue to think this may be one...

I’m not so concerned whether or not Tesla misses ”feature complete” at the end of 2019, after all it was always an internal deadline that would not be visible to the outside anyway. What I am concerned is that their ”feature complete” may not have anything to do with ”Level 5 no geofence...

That is not correct. If someone posted such a thing, it would be wrong. Well, misleading at least. Level 5 is allowed to be limited to a market (say, the U.S.) and human driveable conditions but limiting it to some other ODD would demote it to Level 4. So it can have a geofence (to the market)...

Well, not really where we differ mainly, the geofence thing is more of a side point. I think the notion that Tesla is any kind of feature complete for Level 5 (within U.S. or any market for that matter) is pretty far off. But that is their expectation for end of 2019 and they haven’t retracted...

Now, having said the above, I am not unreasonable by any means. If Tesla simply tongue slipped and ”Level 5 no geofence feature complete” at the end of 2019 actually meant ”Level 5 with continental U.S. geofence feature complete” I would still consider that close enough and let it slide. Of...

FSD is purely Tesla terminology, but even if it wasn’t you calling FSD Level 3+ makes no sense. Only Level 5 is ”Full” according to SAE (Full Automation), Level 4 is High Automation and Level 3 is Conditional Automation. Only Level 5 is ”full” anything in any of the normally used definitions...

So still nothing for those who purchased FSD early if FSD sneak preview does not require FSD. Not that we have the HW3 upgrade either, but just noting how there are still no FSD differentiating features promised for summer 2017.

When has Tesla spoken of FSD being anything other than Level 5 though? And as FSD is a Tesla-only term, I would say it must be considered Level 5. Level 3+ is just inventing stuff in this context. This is not entirely accurate. SAE allows manufacturers to limit the ODD to a market and human...

I see two possible reasons: 1. He is telling the truth and Tesla is far more advanced than cynics expect when it comes to autonomous driving. 2. He is indeed doing what you say i.e. lying for personal / business gain. We don’t know which one. I’m not bying the third option that he just...

@diplomat33 ”Starting to roll out feature complete” is a fairly well defined statement and it seems it does not mean what you think it means, then. If we must find more useful and accurate words for this, may I suggest Tesla is starting to roll out some features of the Automatic Driving on City...

Yeah, unfortunately that is possible.