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  1. Q

    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Are you sure? We could also easily go "yoke v no yoke" or "plaid v LR value". I'm probably forgetting like 3 more.
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Love this level of discussion and your graphics. I know just enough to know what I don't know so I appreciate those who know more or explain better lol.
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Thanks for the ANC discussion - anything to break up the "OMAR PLEASE..." and "My Order 2/2 -> March -> Blank -> August -> Blank -> July (OMG WHAT CONFIGURATION IS TEH FASTEST?!?!?! -> Blank" discussion sequences. 😂
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Hah. That was my next observation - if how you (and omar) described it working is true (and it sounds about right to me), other sound sources within the car would be 'cancelled' as well whether that be voices or whatever. I can sort of see why this system would have to be 'smarter' than what we...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Yeah I am not even close to be being a sound engineer but that is my understanding which is why cancelling sound in the same space it is listened to is confusing to me. Headphone mics measure the sound outside the enclosed headphone speakers and cancels those frequencies. The sound being...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Yes but isn't there a difference in that engine noise inside a plane is measured outside of the 'space' where the sound is produced (the speaker on the headphone)? I mean, if you listen to someone talk while wearing ANC headphones their voice is a bit muddled because the headphone is cancelling...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    I'm so confused as to how noise cancelling works when the microphones are inside the car. On my headphones the mic is on the outside of the speaker area because that is the sound it is measuring/cancelling. What frequencies does it choose to cancel when the sounds/notes are mixed in with...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Nah a tech demo with larger tires than the Plaid (and a spoiler) will have a different traction limit. That is almost more evidence it is about traction limits.
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Not sure about this case but they are definitely hitting up against some traction limits. Basically you can't accelerate 0-60 any faster than you can brake from 60-0 and their times are almost the same. Great explanation here:
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    I don't really worry about myself getting used to the yoke although it would be less than optimal for any sort of performance (or emergency) driving. My wife is going to absolutely HATE it to the point she will want to get rid of the car unless Tesla has some sort of other option. As I ordered a...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    While this beta UI interface that I'm sure the LR shares with the Plaid is some evidence (and might well be true once the car is released), the facts are that the history of non-performance models does not give any sort of go-faster options. Which 'fact' carries more weight? Who knows. Honestly...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Tesla's non-performance models haven't ever come with any sort of 'go faster' mode (besides not defaulting to 'chill' lol) before so I'd assume the LR will not either. Right now it looks like the 3.1 is without rollout. That certainly isn't a guarantee but then why differentiate it on the...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    The question I have is that the Plaid acceleration numbers are all done in plaid and track modes which aren't something you drive around in (typically). So, that is great for the track obviously but I'd like to know the difference between the Plaid and LR if I pull up to the stop light and...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    One of the videos showed that passengers in the back could watch something separately than what is on the main screen but didn't go into whether or not the people in front could control what is being shown on that back screen.
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Historically the non-performance models don't have any sort of 'go faster' mode so I'd assume that number is just 'all the time' power/speed. Which does beg the question, how fast is the Plaid if 'go faster' launch sequence isn't activated (which honestly seems like a PITA).
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Truth - picked up a new, mid-trim Mazda CX5 last summer for 22K. That car is pretty freaking great.
  17. Q

    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Whether they've changed the wheels or the website is glitching and they have not, they have made it easy to see what it would like with a easy, cheap mod. Silver were OK to me but the black looks awesome.
  18. Q

    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Oh I know it was rhetorical. I just wanted to take the opportunity for reiterate how roomy the S is.
  19. Q

    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    The Y (S has 60cuft with seats down).
  20. Q

    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    People like it! My wife drives with it on.
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Suez canal? Obviously.
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Anyone else have a trade-in valuation with Tesla and an expiration date for that? And has it changed? It is a little interesting that my trade-in (my existing S) initially had an expiration of 3/17 but at some point around 3/10 that was updated to say '4/1'. Still says 4/1...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Also, whatever forces involved in the decreased range might also effect impact acceleration (sort of makes sense intuitively?). Weight? Rolling resistance? Aerodynamics? Whatever is decreasing the range is impacting acceleration (again, by a really small amount). Yes, my order also still says...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Just going by the numbers/math I've seen thrown around in previous discussions comparing the wheels. I haven't seen any numbers on braking distance but what you say makes sense as well (so I'd agree that the smaller wheels will accelerate faster but brake more slowly). It would be great if Tesla...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Don't recall exactly but it has something to do with the extra weight (which I'm not sure about since I thought the arachnids were a tiny bit lighter...maybe the tires?) and rolling resistance. But the 4% difference in acceleration is floating around here and there (discussed here in past and...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    It would be more like the knowledge that it would be .1s slower would just bug me lol. Like you pull up next to someone with the 19" wheels and go "well, that car is faster". UGH. 😂 But, acceleration is probably the smallest factor as to why I wouldn't get them (range being by far the biggest...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    I slightly prefer the look of the arachnids but not nearly enough to spend an extra $4500, lose 37 miles of range, have fewer tire options, a rougher ride and lose approximately 4% acceleration (which is about .1s 0-60...seen this number pop up a few times but not sure on original source).
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    They are just speculating to get you to leave them alone. 😂 First half of next quarter is probably a good guess for the vast majority of current orders.
  29. Q

    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    You'll get passed by all the Ford Mach-Es and be sad.
  30. Q

    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    You might get 30-40% if you live in extreme weather conditions, on extreme terrain and drive everywhere at 120mph. Otherwise, you'll get way more than that.
  31. Q

    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Yeah you start hitting the useful limits of how far people are typically willing to drive in a day. A 600 mile day is a really long day of driving for most people but that is really just one stop of 15-30 minutes if you start from 100% on a 400+mile battery and find a v3 recharger somewhere...
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    Wiki Model S Delivery Update

    Arachnids absolutely not worth almost 40 miles of range to me (although on some color combos they looks slightly better but that is totally subjective). Cheaper and more efficient to just buy new tires on the 19s.
  33. Q

    Refreshed “2021” Model S waiting room

    I'm thinking so as well but will feel better once they reveal the details and I can change my order.
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    Refreshed “2021” Model S waiting room

    Have order in for LR, MSM, cream and 19" wheels. Going to trade in 2017 75D but might pull my order if a round steering wheel isn't an option. Still haven't decided on that (my wife is pretty against the yoke).
  35. Q

    California waiting room Q4

    Nice! I'm waiting until the new year to place an order on this exact spec. Post some pictures and impressions once you get a chance!
  36. Q

    Got my new 2021 Model Y

    It isn't that big of a change and will almost certainly just appear without any sort of announcement. That is why people ask (I personally don't as I figure it'll become known almost immediately)
  37. Q

    Got my new 2021 Model Y

    Because it is in Tesla's interest to have the M3 and MY share parts...it is logical that they will have both be non-glossy once current supplies of the glossy run out.
  38. Q

    Model Y 40% more efficient than Mustang Mach E

    All good points but "...Apple's advantage is their design and an ecosystem that has created high switching costs..." could be applied to this combination of battery tech, self-driving and a super charger network. Of course, they will be 'caught' in terms of raw tech numbers but if the experience...
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    Model Y 40% more efficient than Mustang Mach E

    Apple. Superior design, integration and vision. They have always had by far the best laptops and phones (and I've had many of many brands) and with the new 5nm M1 chip they are, again, laughably far ahead of the competition (once it becomes fully supported which will come quickly). Not saying...
  40. Q

    Anyone regret not opting for performance?

    It is interesting that the performance boost option really has made the MYP a significantly worse relative value. I was completely set on getting the MYP but now I find myself still deciding between the two but strongly leaning toward the AWD with performance boost. At a certain point the cost...
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    Any other buyers waiting on news of Acceleration Boost for MYP?

    Ok thanks for the clarification guys. I was under the impression from the performance boost LR thread that the m3p got the same option slightly later. So basically it would appear the MYP won't get such an option as it never existed for the m3p in the first place. If they could have boosted...
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    Any other buyers waiting on news of Acceleration Boost for MYP?

    Yeah the myp does have an edge in looks. Anyone know how long the time was between when they rolled out the performance boost for the m3 awd vs the m3p? It seems like if they could have offered performance boost to the myp they would have already...which makes me think the current hardware...
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    Any other buyers waiting on news of Acceleration Boost for MYP?

    That is the dilemma - there doesn't seem to be much compelling now (that warrants an $8000 premium) and significantly less range and fewer/non-existent tire options. However, if they were to offer the performance boost as they did on the LR I think it is compelling again (wish they'd default to...
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    Any other buyers waiting on news of Acceleration Boost for MYP?

    Agreed and before there was a performance option for the LR the choice was clear to me as well (for what I wanted). Now, it definitely isn't as clear with a $2k performance option that improves the LR 0-60 time by .6 seconds (so it is now the same speed as my 2017 Model S). That is a tremendous...
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    Any other buyers waiting on news of Acceleration Boost for MYP?

    What I'm saying is that because there is a performance boost for the LR I am no longer sure which version to get. Therefore, I'll probably sit on a purchase (and keep my $) until there is some clarity. The MYP is 10k more than the LR (with no performance boost). With improved handling, braking...
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    Any other buyers waiting on news of Acceleration Boost for MYP?

    Hey all - so a couple months back we decided to get a MYP but due to some delays selling an existing vehicle we haven't got to it until now. However, with the Acceleration Boost on the LR the choice isn't so easy without knowing if the MYP will be getting the same option. I mean, for 8k less you...

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