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    How long until a Autopilot accident is reported and the potential public backlash?

    At the moment, the opposite is true with data from full autonomous cars. The car is being cautious and proactively brake for other road users, only to get rear-ended by careless driver from behind. With semi-autonomous driving aids, the system will warm you (e.g. visual, auditory or haptic...
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    Has the drive unit noise issue been sorted in dual motor MS?

    Can someone please post or link a video to the abnormal drive unit noise? As perspective buyer, this will be greatly appreciated. The drive unit of course makes a noise under heavy acceleration. Is the noise referring to that sound getting louder? Or is it a noise that happens with even...
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    Bjørn's Tesla Model S videos

    Hi Bjorn, just found out from your October update video that you will be naming your Model X, X-Wing? If you are worried that my username may cause confusion on this forum, feel free to let me know and I will happy to change it with the help of site admin. I also want to take this opportunity...
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    Dissing Tesla Reliability

    Keep in mind that it is easier said than done. Also, don't turn off the car as you will lose power steering and brake booster assist. Just pop it in neutral. Yes, there were some people that simply pressed the wrong pedal. Yes, there was at least one idiot in debt trying to create an incident...
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    If P90D ludicrious quater mile time is important for you, don't buy it now

    V-Box is very much the industry standard. The days of using the 5th wheels and lasers are long gone. Also Car & Driver publishes a corrected acceleration number, so does MotorTrend. The real world result at the strip is what really counts at the end of the day, or real world driving experience...
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    If P90D ludicrious quater mile time is important for you, don't buy it now

    Another way to look at this is that the Ludicrous upgrade might not be as impressive as originally thought. The car has to have a high state of charge and the car has to be in the "ready" state, which does not last for very long. Ludicrous mode simply does not have endurance and not always...
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    Dissing Tesla Reliability

    The Tacama truck frame recall was also quite notable, but I was thinking of more recent examples. I am also very convinced that there was in fact a sudden acceleration problem. Some people died, just like the GM ignition.
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    Dissing Tesla Reliability

    Look, I have been a really harsh critic of Tesla lately, and I still stand by my opinions. I have also told people to stop drinking the Kool-Aid on this forum, which drove some people nuts. But let's not pretend for a single second that major automotive manufactures don't screw up. The...
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    Model X Middle Row Seat Design - possible reason for current design

    The CF wrap works great for this application. You can get a whole 50 or 100 feet roll for reasonable price on eBay. You won't use nearly that much, but it's always have extra material to be safe. You can sell what you don't use after and make a profit even. They also have color ones, so maybe...
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    Dissing Tesla Reliability

    Besides statistical bias, let not forget confirmation bias and other factors in play here. The happy Model S owners aren't gonna start a thread every day talking about how happy they are with the product & services. The statistical bias is probably there, however. Tesla shareholders of course...
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    P85D motor hp controversy starts also to show in U.S. media

    Model Combined Output (hp) Front Motor Output (hp) Front Motor Rev (rpm) Rear Motor Output (hp) Rear Motor Output (rpm) Vehicle Speed (km/h) P85D 691 Still looking for the answers. Will these insist on 691hp being correct fill in the blanks above please? By the way, dyno...
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    Model X Middle Row Seat Design - possible reason for current design

    Great shots. The glossy black plastic seat back is not gonna hold up well to wear and tear though. Plus I think it makes the interior look cheap.
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    P85D motor hp controversy starts also to show in U.S. media

    Can someone please fill in the blanks for me? Model Combined Output (hp) Front Motor Output (hp) Front Motor Rev (rpm) Rear Motor Output (hp) Rear Motor Output (rpm) Vehicle Speed (km/h) P85D 691 If someone can fill in the blanks above, it will be greatly appreciated. I...
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    P85D motor hp controversy starts also to show in U.S. media

    Clearly you have problem comprehending some of the concepts involved. A Dodge Charger Hellcat makes 707 SAE horsepower at the following vehicle speeds, according to FCA. Of course that is 707 HP at the crank. Gear Gear Ratio Final Ratio Overall Ratio Engine RPM KM/H MPH 1st 4.71...
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    [Resolved] My P85 has developed the milling noise and Tesla won't fix it.

    Amongst reports from major media outlets, analysts at different institutions, to what's on the Bloomberg terminals, these blogs and posts are just tiny noises not even worth mentioning IMHO.
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    Model S 85D Drag Tested 28 Times

    Thank you so much OP. I never liked any video with shaky camera work before, but I did on this one. Anyone has any idea on how the 85D will do in a full 1/4 mile?
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    Autopilot lane keeping still not available over 6 months after delivery

    I did get clarification on that. As correctly stated by other members, the hardware is shipped with the car regardless. The CAD$3600 after the fact upgrade is software only and includes labor cost. This is a tough one. A 85D/90D for the time being will serve me well until the Model X is more...
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    P85D motor hp controversy starts also to show in U.S. media

    Completely different argument. Yes, Dodge can claim 707hp because they are producing 707hp. At exact what vehicle speed does the P85D produce a combined 691hp from both motors?
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    2014 P85D Owners... hindsight? regrets?

    People must be crazy to have any expectation at all on a $100,000+ car. /sarcasm Some people care about principle and will spend a million to fight over a dollar for the right reasons. I certainly fall into that group and had my fair share of worthless but passionate pursuits in life. Some...
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    P85D motor hp controversy starts also to show in U.S. media

    The system power is measured based on the combined simultaneous output of both powertrain. Note that the peak system output does not necessarily have to occur at either peak ICE or EV output. Gear ratio also needs to be factored in. But let's assume that both the ICE and EV have just one...
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    P85D motor hp controversy starts also to show in U.S. media

    Mid-Engine ICE / F & R Electric Porsche 918 Acura NSX Front ICE / Rear Electric Acura RLX Volvo XC90 Could they both be using the e-AAM eAWD technology? Front and Rear Electric (Torque Vectoring Capable) SLS AMG E-Cell Porsche Mission E The SLS AMG was supposed to go into production, not...
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    2014 P85D Owners... hindsight? regrets?

    Thanks to the OP and contributors of this thread. The are some very valuable information here and as a consumer I really feel empowered. From anxiously waiting for the Model X to now falling back to the Model S, there is a lot of new information. Now knowing the real world performance of the...
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    Autopilot lane keeping still not available over 6 months after delivery

    This is Ridiculous Two questions for these familiar with the matter. 1. If I purchase a Model S with AutoPilot option, what do I go right away and what don't I get? Adaptive Cruise Control - YES Automatic High Beam - YES Active Lane Keeping - NO Self Parking - NO Is the above...
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    If you could choose any other SUV.....

    For many on TMC, an ICE vehicle is out of the question. To the majority of car buyers, I don't think they care. For performance driven buyers, myself included, there are lots of other available options.
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    Model X towing 5,000 up mountain passes at the speed limit?

    No kidding. :scared: Plus only giving Signature buyer 24 hours to make the change at the last minute? Not only is the car not ready, the company is also not ready. Very poor communication from Tesla once again.
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    If you could choose any other SUV.....

    BMW X5M BMW X5M. It's got the performance and driving experience. Utility is not outstanding, but at least got folding seats. Head-Up Display is pretty neat.
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    Model X Middle Row Seat Design - possible reason for current design

    Wait a second, did Tesla just put racing bucket seats in the 2nd row then? If the seat only tilts and the seatback cannot adjust independently from the seat bottom. That's only found on the most hardcore sports cars (e.g. 911 GT3). Of course many cars have fixed non-adjustable 2nd row. But...
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    Model X Middle Row Seat Design - possible reason for current design

    IMHO, a forum is as much a place to celebrate the joy of ownership as well as a place to discuss problems and shortcomings so that the manufacture can address and improve upon. I hope by participating in a forum and voice my opinions that Tesla will eventually come up with a Model X that better...
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    Reactions to Model X reveal event

    Not at all. Plus, I am very direct and outspoken myself. Well written post, I can appreciate where you are coming from. Absolutely agree with Bonnie here. The Model X imho is actually pretty amazing. It will be almost perfect once they fixed the 2nd row seat design. Like I said before, I am...
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    Reactions to Model X reveal event

    Correct me if I am wrong. But wouldn't the inability to turn a profit be the ultimate reason for Tesla's demise? If Tesla stock triples tomorrow, Tesla won't magically have more cash. Like wise if Tesla stock halve next week. They would still have the same financial fundamental and operating...
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    Model X Middle Row Seat Design - possible reason for current design

    I was specifically addressing this mentality that puts Tesla on a pedestal. Mercedes-Benz did a great job designing the V-Class 2nd row seats (see pictures above), meanwhile Tesla screwed up. (EDIT:Let Me Rephrase This) Let's not believe that Tesla is infallible or when they do make a...
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    Model X Middle Row Seat Design - possible reason for current design

    What about the lack of crumple zone in the Model S 3rd Row when you get rear ended? No side curtain airbags either correct? Can't ignore that if we are gonna rave about the frunk and lack of ICE in a crash. Not to mention the lack of AC with the 3rd Row on the Model S. If Tesla really has a...
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    Model X Middle Row Seat Design - possible reason for current design

    Every design decision is a compromise between function, form and economics. E.g. How safe is the 3rd row in the Model S? Perhaps not as safe as the front drive & passenger seats in absolute terms, but that made it into production. Will a folding Model X 2nd row be less safe than the Model S 3rd...
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    Model X Middle Row Seat Design - possible reason for current design

    The Mercedes V-Class is The Benchmark to follow. The 2nd Row can Rotate, Fold Flat and be Removed The 3rd Row can Fold Fat and be Removed Credit to Source Video Interestingly The V-Class is now available in North America as the Mercedes-Benz Metris. But the passenger version of the...
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    Model X vs Volvo XC90

    XC90 Up & Close So, I went to check out the XC90 and frankly was a bit let down by it. Don't get me wrong overall it is a good SUV, however... The supposedly gorgeous leather wrapped keys doesn't seem to hold up well for daily wear and tear. There were already some cuts on the key they gave...
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    Model X vs Volvo XC90

    It is definitely a concern, but no worse than an out of warranty Tesla. First, addressing the displacement issue. Mistubishi Evo and Subaru STi (JDM spec) have been pushing 300hp out of a 2L for nearly a decade. GM, Hyundai and VW also have high output 2.0L engines making 275+ horsepower...
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    Very Difficult decision..Canceling my Sig X reservation

    Fixed that. We already know the max cargo length is 60". An SUV that can't even carry a book case? Some utility that is. Personally that's not a deal breaker for me, but I can fully understand and appreciate why some people decided to cancel.
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    Camping Trailer Selection for Model X

    Based on the data plate on Elon's Car GVWR 3070kg (6768 lb) GAWR FRT 1470KG (3241 lb) GAWR RR 1720KG (3792 lb)
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    Model X vs Volvo XC90

    1. First of all, we both agree XC90 and Model X are very safe cars. But the lack of ICE does make for an interest point. I absolutely agree that Tesla in theory has a better starting point in designing frontal crumple zone. Have they done a better job protecting occupant in frontal crush is an...
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    Model X vs Volvo XC90

    Absolutely it is more complicated than that and both the Model X and XC90 are likely going to be the safest vehicles that one can buy. I said exactly that many time before. What I find comical and even fanatical is that some on this forum will outright dismiss any positive aspects of a...
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    Camping Trailer Selection for Model X

    What About The View? One downside of the Sport 22, is the somewhat lack of view around the dinette. You travel all the way other there to enjoy the nature, not to sit around in a metal box looking at the galley. You do need to detach the trailer to get the full benefit of the 180 panoramic...
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    Model X vs Volvo XC90

    I am constantly amazed by this forum. Your numbers are pure conjectures with no scientific basis and no supporting data. I am sure the automotive industry and insurance industry will be really interested in hearing how the these tests does not translate into real life. Here are some data for...
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    Model X vs Volvo XC90

    Tesla actually did it during the Model X event as a reference point. We don't have actual stats for the Model X by an independent 3rd party (e.g. IIHS, NHTSA, Euro Ncap...etc) at the moment, so they were using Model S stats. I have no affiliation with these people, don't even have an account...
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    Model X vs Volvo XC90

    As I was doing some research on the XC90, it turns out that Volvo actually does have a pretty advanced air filtering system as well.
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    Very Difficult decision..Canceling my Sig X reservation

    Actually the new Volvo XC90 does have a clean air system. They are just not as good at marketing it and its called the CleanZone air purification system.
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    Model X vs Volvo XC90

    XC90 T8 Buyer Beware Funny you said that, because that happens to be quite relevant to the XC90 T8 PHEV. I was look at the XC90 Brochure and unlike the T6 which has a 71L/18.8 gallon fuel tank, the T8 PHEV version has a tiny 50L/13.2 gallon tank. That is down right pathetic and I can see...
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    Model X vs Volvo XC90

    You certainly could've done more research. The Nissan Leaf does 0-60 in 10.2 seconds in Car and Driver test. The Outlander PHEV officially does 0-60 in 11 seconds with 200bhp. The Volvo does 0-60 in 5.6 seconds with 400hp. Volvo even claimed that it accelerates faster then Model S 85 as...
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    Reactions to Model X reveal event

    Most of the technology and engineering feats mentioned are not unique to Tesla and has been done before. Rolls Royce has motorized swing doors for years Hyundai Genesis has proximity based automatic trunk opening Many van/MPV have motorized sliding door While not FD, Mercedes SLS AMG and...
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    Very Difficult decision..Canceling my Sig X reservation

    So glad that I am not alone on this. Our of curiosity, may I ask why you also desire the rotating 2nd row? For me it is for business purposes. I can have my assistant drive while I sit in the 2nd row and interact with the clients as we move from location to location.
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    Model X vs Volvo XC90

    At the risk of sounding like a Volvo sales person, I think you mean AFTER tax. Note the 3rd line in price section is tax. An absolutely fully loaded XC90 T8 is $89,000 before tax in Canada. I would speculate that a Model X 90D similarly equipped will be at arround CAD$145,000. This is based on...

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