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    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    The dealership model is actually how consumers get better prices, not worse.
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    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    TESLA WAY Tesla's is the manufacturer and the SELLER of the vehicle. Not only are they now responsible for manufacturing a good car, but they have to also be responsible for covering the cost of selling that vehicle. No matter where you go in the country, the price is the same for buying a...
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    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Let me put it in plain english for you folks - TESLA WAY Tesla's is the manufacturer and the SELLER of the vehicle. Not only are they now responsible for manufacturing a good car, but they have to also be responsible for covering the cost of selling that vehicle. No matter where you go in the...
  4. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    The cult is real here xD. There are very few people with logical talking points on this forum. If it ain't about Tesla being sunshine and roses, it's wrong even if the information is as clear as being written in the bible.
  5. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    You do realize it says that in every part of the country? I tried, they said no they don't go this far. I live on east coast, SS is Raleigh. You all keep fooling yourself with thinking the Tesla way is the best way. I've purchased vehicles below dealer invoice due to end of year Push to get...
  6. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Oh, what about that $2,000 performance plus upgrade, the constantly changing price of FSD, etc etc? So you're telling me, Tesla sold me a car that was software limited just so that in the future they could charge $2,000 for it to be unlocked? Why don't they just make is $100? Come on. Just...
  7. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Wow, so now you're an idiot for paying the lowest internet price in the country for a Vehicle? You do realize, the cost of living, supply/demand, and many more variables effect the true price of selling a Vehicle? Tesla is pricing the vehicle to make them a profit, no matter where you live. If...
  8. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Look man, I don't want to argue with you. I don't have time to try to prove any point I make because you refuse to look up the issues or be logical about the Mach E being a great alternative.
  9. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    I'm happy you've had good experience with Tesla, I can speak for my behalf and on the behalf of many and it is public information that Tesla service isn't anywhere close to other OEM's. Mercedes are known just like Range rovers to be expensive. Some models of certain brands are worse than...
  10. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    So, you felt obligated to call around to all the dealerships, finding the best price? That is great and wonder why you did that.... You do realize in the year 2020, that all car dealerships have their prices listed online. You do not need to call, simply google the car you want with the exact...
  11. M

    Mustang Mach E is a Gamechanger - My Opinion

    Even Tesla has issues, and fixed it by software update. I would give them the benefit of the doubt as well
  12. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    Good point, and I agree those incentives actually would help the foreign auto makers. Is that something we want to do? I dunno. Ford is initially planning to build 50k/year, then scale it up from there. Ford sales a ton of vehicles in Europe, I'm sure they will sale every one they can make. The...
  13. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    Yeah now it is gone right?
  14. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    They reduced the price accordingly to the reduction in Tax credit, and I remember that vividly becasue I was apart of the 2018 EOY push to get them out before the Tax credit went away (or reduced greatly) 2019.
  15. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    Down from 7,500, then what 3250, then 1700?
  16. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    Well the same could be said about Tesla getting the advantage for their vehicles, why not let other automakers take advantage of it?
  17. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    No problem, appreciate the discussion
  18. M

    Mustang Mach E is a Gamechanger - My Opinion

    Yeah, nice video of a product that isn't finished and released yet o_O
  19. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    No, I think you are forgetting all the positives about the Dealership model. Within 50 miles of you there should be several ford dealerships, all owned and operated by different people with different managers with different levels of customer service. I've NEVER had bad service at a car...
  20. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    There are many other articles, but they had to do it in order to compensate for the Federal tax rebate program that ended, and they tried desperately to renew it.
  21. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    And in no way am I trying to steer your confidence away from tesla and your investment, I'm sure it will be fine
  22. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    Yeah I can see ford doing that for the first few years, until at minimum they can meet battery production at mass. I read an article that said one ford dealership in california has over 100 reservations at just that one store. People are loving the vehicle.
  23. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    I know that, that was one month after the Federal tax credit rebate went away lol
  24. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    Because they reduced the vehicle price to compensate for that, just like ford will. Also, yes I own a Model 3. Horrible ownership experience outside of actually driving the Car. The car is amazing, but it ends there. You do know, a Ford Mach E is going to put that same smile on peoples face...
  25. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    I gave you your out on that post, I guess you didn't wanna take it. Tesla has to adjust the suspension for Europe, as European regulations force auto makers to change the height of the vehicle and the headlights have to be a certain height off the ground. That again is just one example of many...
  26. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    Great read. I think it is important to point out that legacy automakers are not really behind, as demand for EV's are not as massive as many make it out to be. Tesla made 400,000 EV's in 2019. Ford made 5.5 million vehicles. There is artificial demand due to government regulations. I don't think...
  27. M

    Mustang Mach E is a Gamechanger - My Opinion

    And your evidence of that? Have you seen how amazing their new sync system is, take a look:
  28. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Ford is massively popular worldwide, and that is quite funny!
  29. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Tesla changes the charge port, seating configuration, regulations are different with safety requiring different safety placards, vehicle styling with lights, etc. There is a ton that every car manufacturer has to tune that I'm not even listing. Lets not get too far off topic, and I love how you...
  30. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Because Europe is a more successful market for EV's, America has not adopted it like Europe due to government regulations. Bescides the point - If they can manage 315+ EPA range it will be a huge shot to the model Y. A lot of people do not like the design of that vehicle. It's still a very...
  31. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Right, and charging stations are widespread in Europe. America needs to roughly double their EA network before I would consider it to Europe's level, it will be there in two years.
  32. M

    Salesman gives me EAP, 6 months later, Tesla takes it away via OTA

    And this is why people don't realize how valuable the dealer network really is. Tesla has a long way to go before they can be considered a good car company. My car had paint issues that they refused to fix, so I got over it. A dealership wouldn't have even thought twice and you know why...
  33. M

    TSLA "Almost a Mass Psychosis" -- Lutz

    'Almost a mass psychosis': Tesla's 250% stock rally makes no sense, Bob Lutz says | Markets Insider "Bob Lutz has no idea why Tesla stock has rocketed more than 250% in six months. Neither do Wall Street's brightest minds, the auto-industry veteran — who sat on the boards of Ford, Chrysler, and...
  34. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Not sure why you had to point out they will sell more in Europe than America? Is that even a question? Europe is a huge market for EV's. They are releasing in both countries at the same date. And you pointed out more are going to europe, why??? It said in the article they are tuning the...
  35. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Ok, and your point is????
  36. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Yeah, I don't understand how the Mach E will see a huge decrease in WLTP testing vs the model 3 only seeing 5% less. Someone has some explaining to do on that one lol. Otherwise, looks like the Mach E will see somewhere around 330-350 miles EPA.
  37. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Ford Mustang Mach-E will launch in Europe at same time as U.S.
  38. M

    Mustang Mach E is a Gamechanger - My Opinion

    Ford has been building vehicles for over 100 years and by them putting the mustang name on it, they're putting the entire brand on the line! I wouldn't underestimate any of their specs!
  39. M

    Mustang Mach E is a Gamechanger - My Opinion

    Great post an analysis.
  40. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Audi E-Tron lost 50 miles vs WLTP testing, assuming Mustang Mach E the same that puts the EPA range @ 323 miles minimum. So instead of the 250 mile GT it would be 275 miles and 300 miles for the AWD.
  41. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    $45,000 with the Tax incentive, add 7.5k without it.
  42. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    The Taycan EPA is 192 miles. Is it worse than that IRL?
  43. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    I was just wondering if there is a reason that test would be more biased towards the model 3 having better range EPA vs the Mach E. Why would the Mach E only get 200 EPA and the Model 3 retain 95% of their WLTP range?
  44. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    What makes you say that? The model 3 is only slightly less than WLTP range
  45. M

    Mustang Mach E is a Gamechanger - My Opinion

    Why are you all so defensive? If ford hits their mark it is going to be an amazing EV.
  46. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Yes it does, will be interesting to see when the testing is complete.
  47. M

    Mach E RWD range 370 miles

    Ford Mustang Mach-E Debuts In Europe With Special Tuning "Equipped with the larger battery and in rear-wheel-drive guise, the electric crossover promises to cover 600 kilometers (373 miles) based WLTP, which is a more realistic test cycle replacing the old lab-based NEDC." "The Model 3 long...
  48. M

    Mustang Mach E is a Gamechanger - My Opinion

    Yep, a bunch of half truths and lies alright. In no way shape or form is my post a lie, so not sure what you're talking about.
  49. M

    Mustang Mach E is a Gamechanger - My Opinion

    Agreed, never seen so much hate LOL
  50. M

    Mustang Mach E is a Gamechanger - My Opinion

    Not sure, and the engineer's comment on that was it is coming eventually - does that mean battery design refresh? Something we don't know yet. At least it can accept 150kw, so 10-80 in 45 minutes. not bad.

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