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  1. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    Sure. I disagree that Waymo is irrelevant. A company that is a leader in autonomous driving, contributing innovations in machine learning and deploying robotaxis, is not irrelevant. They are certainly relevant in the AV field. I think it is rather self-centered and closed-minded to suggest that...
  2. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    You are entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.
  3. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    Waymo already has real FSD deployed to SF and Chandler that the public can use.
  4. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    HD maps can include a lot. Each company can include different things. I don't think all HD maps are the same. Yes, the idea of HD maps is to include info that might be difficult or unreliable with vision-only so that the AV can drive with more confidence.
  5. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Behind the scenes video of Zoox's track testing of their driverless robotaxi:
  6. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    You are misunderstanding HD maps. HD maps are annotated with information like one way lanes in parking lots so that the car won't accidentally drive the wrong way in a parking lot. That is not the same as actually hardcoding the entire route to follow. The car is free to pick whatever routes it...
  7. diplomat33

    FSD Timeline Promises (summary)

    Dirty Tesla, who is a well-known Tesla youtuber and FSD Beta tester, seems to be saying that he does not think that Tesla ever really promised L5 or robotaxis and they will be content with releasing L2 FSD beta because that is the last feature on the website that needs to be delivered: I...
  8. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    That is false. Routes are not hardcoded.
  9. diplomat33

    The challenge of roadside mirrors on places with low visibility

    In theory, it should be possible to train camera vision to correctly understand the roadside mirrors. You would need to train the camera vision to recognize that it is a roadside mirror and then detect the objects in the mirror and correctly "project" the objects in the right direction. It would...
  10. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Here is a handy diagram by the SAE to help determine what SAE level a system is:
  11. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    It depends what kind of human input. Put simply, the SAE says this: If the human input does any dynamic driving tasks for the car = not autonomous If the human input does not do any dynamic driving tasks for the car = still autonomous So some types of human input for L4 is still ok if the...
  12. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Why are you still harping about the "full time ipad guy"? And that is wrong. It would only still be L5 if the "full time ipad guy" just gave the car information and nothing more, and did not take over, take control, disengage, or tell the car what to do.
  13. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Yes, L4 can safely pull over and ask a human to take over. But remember that remote supervisors never take over, they merely give extra information to the car and let the car decide what to do. The car is still in control and makes all the driving decisions. So that is also L4 since the remote...
  14. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Holy coww, what the heck is FSD beta doing? Is this a comedy? Can't FSD beta see cones? Why does FSD Beta try to hit cones at the end?
  15. diplomat33

    Primer on SAE Levels of Autonomy

    Here are 3 helpful tutorial videos: What is SAE J3016: What is DDT: What is ODD:
  16. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    I was right. It didn't take long for you to make up a BS reason to call Mobileye a joke. It did not fail multiple times in 2 minutes. What are you talking about? And I did not see any disengagement at 6:03. The screen says "drive mode" so it was still in autonomous driving.
  17. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Fantastic video. I continue to be very impressed with Mobileye. Note that Mobileye has self-cleaning on all the cameras, which Tesla does not have. Also nice that the AV can honk when it detects another vehicle cutting in badly. Also, we see the RSS and how the Mobileye car has good driving...
  18. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    According to Waymo, Cruise, etc, remote assistance does not control the cars. They simply label things or draw suggested paths to give the car help. The cars make all the driving decisions. So the cars are still fully autonomous (L4) since, even with remote assistance, they still made all the...
  19. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Sure. Just be prepared to take over at a moments notice because the FSD stack may decide to dive for pedestrians, drive into a road closed sign, drive the wrong way, drive in the wrong lane, or drive into incoming traffic, almost hit drivers getting out of their parked car, make illegal...
  20. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Time lapse clip of Aurora semi truck driving fully autonomously on highway.
  21. diplomat33

    Tesla FSD/Autopilot under attack

    Why are we bringing Waymo into this? Waymo has nothing to do with this story. This story is about Tesla facing criticism because they refuse to follow proper safety standards.
  22. diplomat33

    Tesla FSD/Autopilot under attack

    Full disclosure, the Waymo accidents were minor with no fatalities or serious injuries. Very different from Tesla accidents where people died.
  23. diplomat33

    Tesla FSD/Autopilot under attack

    The sentence is a bit clumsy maybe since it is not AP that has the ability to update the software, rather it is Tesla that has the ability to update the AP software. But other than the clumsiness, it is factually true. It is trying to say that Tesla does OTA updates and so does not need to do...
  24. diplomat33

    Waymo

    I think you are just cherry picking one metric so that you can tell yourself that Waymo is not making progress. You are ignoring other metrics of progress. For example, Waymo has expanded public testing to SF which is a more difficult environment than Chandler. Being able to do fully...
  25. diplomat33

    Waymo

    That's a strawman. Nobody is claiming that Waymo has already solved general FSD. Even Waymo is not claiming that they have solved FSD yet. But all their perception, prediction and planning NN are generalized. The only thing that is not generalized is of course is the HD map. The cars use rich...
  26. diplomat33

    Waymo

    Clearly, it is not since Waymo has solved the vast majority of perception cases and has L4 robotaxis in 2 cities, all without Tesla's fleet size or diversity. The lack of a large fleet is not their main issue. As others have pointed out, that's not Chandler. That's the fleet of unused 4th Gen...
  27. diplomat33

    Waymo

    I don't know. But if Waymo does label drop off points, I don't think that would be a bad thing. It would make sense to label drop off points to make sure that the car can handle them reliably. You don't want the car to stop in a bad location that would be illegal or unsafe.
  28. diplomat33

    Waymo

    Don't trust Whole Mars for Waymo info. He is a Waymo FUDster. Waymo does go everywhere in the geofence area. The blue areas are simply designated pick up spots because the car can't pick you up in the middle of a building or in the middle of a park or in the middle of the road. But of course...
  29. diplomat33

    Waymo

    Again, going to take this to the Waymo thread so as not to detract from the thread on Elon's tweets. Actually, I think Waymo's scaling problem is a FSD problem. Waymo does not want to use customers to supervise their FSD so they need safety drivers or remote assistance/roadside assistance. But...
  30. diplomat33

    Waymo

    Yeah. Moved to Waymo thread. Short answer is definitely, I think Waymo has evolved a lot in terms of their sensors, hardware and software stack over time. They've undergone some big changes. In terms of hardware, they went from a crude lidar on the roof of the first Google car to a much more...
  31. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    Personally, I think Waymo has the right approach. But they are realizing that actually solving FSD is harder than they thought. They underestimated the edge cases. And Waymo is fully committed to fully driverless which is harder. To deploy safe driverless robotaxis, you need to solve a lot more...
  32. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    But you would still get FSD Beta when it is released wide in the full production version. So you would still get what you paid for. You just had to wait longer and didn't get to test the super beta version.
  33. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    I think it means "everywhere". Remember that Waymo has tested their FSD in lots of cities all over the US, in rain and snow over the years. They have millions of real world driving all over the US, including in rain and snow as well as billions of simulated miles that cover a lot of edge cases...
  34. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    No. FSD is a subset of AI. Solving FSD would only solve a part of AI, not the whole thing. FSD AI is very specialized, it is just AI designed to solve the specific task of driving a car. It is not general AI. You can't use FSD AI to solve language AI problems or math AI problems. The idea that...
  35. diplomat33

    FSD Beta Videos (and questions for FSD Beta drivers)

    I agree. FSD Beta's behavior in that clip was very unsafe. It was way too close to that driver getting out of their car. They could have been injured or worse if they had step out just a bit more.
  36. diplomat33

    OFFICIAL BUTTON WATCH

    My understanding is that FSD beta is using more advanced NN. That is why I am assuming it will be better for highway driving. Although Elon did say that it is not "polished" yet for highway driving and that is why they have not released it yet. So it may take time to get FSD beta optimized for...
  37. diplomat33

    OFFICIAL BUTTON WATCH

    Well, I think the single stack is exciting because it would mean that highway driving finally gets updated to the latest FSD software. I said behind because I see on Teslafi that 2021.32.10 has gone out to a lot of cars. But from past experience, my car is probably on a different branch that...
  38. diplomat33

    OFFICIAL BUTTON WATCH

    I probably lean towards there not being a single stack in V10.1, just because I think there will be last minute issues that Tesla will need to addressed. After all, a single stack is a pretty major "rewrite". But with the rate of progress we've seen with FSD beta, it is also possible they will...
  39. diplomat33

    OFFICIAL BUTTON WATCH

    True, but my point is that we've seen it do many "no traffic" routes with no interventions. So, that is not new.
  40. diplomat33

    OFFICIAL BUTTON WATCH

    "No traffic" is a trivial case. The challenge of "solving FSD" is handling driving with other traffic on the road. And, we've known that FSD Beta can handle "no traffic" really well for awhile now.
  41. diplomat33

    OFFICIAL BUTTON WATCH

    I think I read somewhere that the Tesla insurance calculator factors in driver monitoring like how may "blue screen" warnings, how often you got put in "AP jail" for failing to respond to the AP nag. It may also use the camera to see how distracted you are while driving. That would all make...
  42. diplomat33

    FSD Beta Videos (and questions for FSD Beta drivers)

    Gotta "love" hyperchange fanboying over bad behavior like it is a huge success: This is not a success. This is terrible behavior for any AV. FSD Beta makes an illegal right turn from a straight only lane, wobbles as it tries to make the turn, almost hits the car on the right, turns too wide...
  43. diplomat33

    FSD Beta Videos (and questions for FSD Beta drivers)

    Perhaps but I think Tesla does owe us what they advertised: Tesla Autopilot page: FSD order page (2016): I am not going to argue what SAE level this represents. But Tesla should deliver these features.
  44. diplomat33

    OFFICIAL BUTTON WATCH

    I agree. That is why I think it is ridiculous when Elon fans use the "Elon can land rockets vertically therefore I trust he can solve FSD" argument.
  45. diplomat33

    OFFICIAL BUTTON WATCH

    If only FSD worked as well as the SpaceX rockets.
  46. diplomat33

    OFFICIAL BUTTON WATCH

    Like most abusive relationships, we stay because we want/hope it will get better. We all like our Teslas and I think we all want to have FSD on our cars and for FSD to work well. So we hang on hoping it will get better.
  47. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    This is a great discussion between Anguelov (Head of Research at Waymo) and Alex Wang (CEO of Scale AI) on perception, and autonomous driving.

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