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  1. Battpower

    FSD Beta Button in the UK?

    I'll be a whole lot amazed if any UK cars get it.
  2. Battpower

    2021.32.21

    I don't think so. My MS R LR FSD got 20 then 21 just a few days later. Both showed just immersive sound on release notes.
  3. Battpower

    2021.32.21

    I only just got .20 (immersive sound only on 2019 LR Raven S FSD) now installing .21 Given the short time since .20, probably just bug fixes again... along with next batch of bugs ...
  4. Battpower

    Supercharger Scotch Corner Fine!

    Agree, and the experience really hurts. Just money grabbing and double dipping. At Northampton, even after so long, the signs are ambiguous and to some extent contradictory. You should not need to act on multiple separate signs where it is not obvious if you have done reading! If one sign...
  5. Battpower

    Battery Cooling Issues

    I don't know if you can extract a report from the tech showing the brick / module temp? I would have thought that one module being hotter than the others would be either sensor related or cell related. But either way internal to the battery. Given the obvious odd behavior has Tesla suggested a...
  6. Battpower

    Battery Cooling Issues

    The average whr/mile looks way different after charging. Is that coincidence? And now I see what you are saying about louvres. But odd that IC temp is higher and power limit lower in later pics. Does it AC charge normally? But either way, I think SMT would show you what you need to know.
  7. Battpower

    Battery Cooling Issues

    Like @gaswalla said, need SMT to see brick temps. a) Many tesla techs seem to say the first thing that comes into their heads and b) if one brick is showing hot, that's not going to show on the IC display. What symptoms are YOU seeing regarding car performance / behavior? edit: behavior as in...
  8. Battpower

    Battery Cooling Issues

    How are you coming to that conclusion based on the IC temp display?
  9. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    100% agree. My Kona gives quite a bit of info about its 12v battery. Stupidly, it doesn't appear to charge the 12v unless you actually drive the car (or may be when charging too, not sure on that). But the app shows 12v status and in car there is a warning too if 12v is discharged. 12v status...
  10. Battpower

    500 + Mile Range Debate

    IMO, the issue of huge capacity batteries is something of a marketing ploy at the moment, capitalising on a not totally unfounded concern over lack of available charging and adverse conditions effecting range. The medium to long term objective shouldn't be to make every heavier cars but rather...
  11. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    And it's energy just being dissipated as heat. The balancing resistors can't drain any where near that much. What are you charging up to at the moment and does the drain only happen above a certain SOC?
  12. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    It's a long time back, but didn't someone state service wasn't / isn't a cost / profit center for Tesla? Of course that can / will likely change, but has Tesla made a statement to that effect?
  13. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Post a link to the applicable warranty that sets out the basis for battery performance an owner should expect and what remedies the warranty offers in the scenarios being discussed and I'll be pleased to read it.
  14. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Same with my first Renault. And took same action as you. The difference for me was that: Renault gave an extra year of warranty cover as a good will gesture. There was a clear stated loss of capacity figure from the outset. Renault perform diag test and stand by the result. A 3rd party public...
  15. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    @WhiteWi , what's missing is transparent tools and better communication from Tesla. Otherwise, regardless of right or wrong, there is no choice but to take their word for whatever they say. @wk057 ’s post linked to a few posts back is really succinct and full of evidence he has uncovered. But...
  16. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    ...... At least we made it look that way..... "Trust in me!"
  17. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    But as demonstrated by the software fix, cars do have redundancy in the hardware, and Tesla are using that redundancy to base their work around on. That is clever, but once the work around has managed to take the failed component out of the loop, that redundancy isn't there any more. Outside...
  18. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I couldn't sort all the quotes, but as per WK below, the 30% limit doesn't apply to the cars we are talking about. Even though WK points out examples that suggest no car will reach 30% range reduction, that doesn't clarify what Tesla's obligation is to owners effected by caps. If you mean...
  19. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I don't agree that it's repaired. I would agree that regardless of whether the car goes into the shop or not, or a mobile tech comes and plugs in a programmer, or software is updated OTA, it might have been reconfigured to apparently give similar performance. But without a supporting narrative...
  20. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    IMO it is more honest (than no firm limit) and actually enforceable - even if it's super unlikely to ever happen. Without such a limit I don't see how the original warranty actually warranted anything. But that's a different issue. It's interesting to consider if the software work around is...
  21. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Hope there are no 'don't quote me' restrictions. From the above linked WK post: 'f = m - a - b - c - d - e' And a smart undisclosed work around to avoid compounding errors gets <15mV. 'Whether or not this satisfies their obligations to the customer as far as warranty goes… I’m not a lawyer...
  22. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I see it differently. And having determined many warranty claim outcomes myself, I am very clear that premature degradation (within warranty period) is exactly what the warranty is there to deal with. Just because there is a valid reason / explanation why something fails / degrades prematurely...
  23. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Is it reasonable or possible for Tesla to police itself (it's warranty obligations) and determine / declare if a failure is down to premature degradation? Premature degradation (aka failure) and unsolicited tweaking of software that happens to maybe mask or delay the effects of said 'failure' ...
  24. Battpower

    500 + Mile Range Debate

    iirc, M3 owners see quite a drop with say 12 months. May be 10%. Would you agree with that or do you think it's more linear and progressive? What's a 'normal' figure for say 4 years? Using Teslafi?
  25. Battpower

    500 + Mile Range Debate

    Is that really normal / common? My Renault Zoe (40kwh, real 150 to 180 mile range) showed 7% loss of battery health and almost no evidence or real world range over 4 years / 35k miles. My 2019 model S R LR still shows 365 to 373 miles based on Teslamate data. I do agree that extra battery...
  26. Battpower

    Model S Plaid -- Battery Failure -- Day 1

    https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-plaid-12v-lithium-ion-battery/ ???? 🤨
  27. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Agree. If Tesla disable supercharging on salvage titles, isn't there the same risk with non-Tesla rebuilt batteries? Tesla would supposedly bend over backwards to replace like for like with little or no increase in performance (although I forget how many saw the 350v 'new' replacement...
  28. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Moved into the catering business? 🤨 Flame grilled.
  29. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Stupid sensor. Why did they even bother with that sensor? All it does is corrode, degrade and wear out. No other purpose evidently, and not even a warranty item!
  30. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    From my point of view, it's the lack of words. The early warranty doesn't actually say what the battery should do even though it says how long it should do it for. No legal claims from me. Just observations. If this was just a wear and tear issue, it would not be reversible. The warranty does...
  31. Battpower

    FSD Beta Button in the UK?

    IMO the main issue is lack of airflow. The gortex patch and air vent vs sealed enclosure seem significant factors. The main front camera is heated and sealed. Not sure why they didn't adopt the same approach for B-pillars. Good that you find preconditioning works for you but for me once there...
  32. Battpower

    FSD Beta Videos (and questions for FSD Beta drivers)

    I've seen several comments by beta testers about taking certain road sections way faster than they would have done. Also seems common for testers to dial down the speed to coax fsd through difficult scenarios. What is the current state of speed modulation? I don't see it discussed much but it...
  33. Battpower

    FSD Beta Button in the UK?

    It would most likely fix the condensation issue. I did some tests with very gentle warming of the camera window from the outside and it hardly took anything to clear the glass. I don't know about compatibility with camera imaging. Again, even minor retrospective changes that include wiring /...
  34. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Of course nothing guaranteed and common sense rarely seems to come into the picture with Tesla, but IF their test were to determine that you have (effectively) what they have catagorized as similar to a manufacturing defect, then that might be the basis for trying to get them to fix it as such...
  35. Battpower

    FSD Beta Button in the UK?

    I think protection for edging out with reduced visibility would be a huge help and retain b-pillar cam's too. There was talk somewhere on TMC about feasibility of multiplexing in more video for retro-fitting, or using some kind of wireless solution. I think the consensus was that any wired...
  36. Battpower

    FSD Beta Button in the UK?

    Leeds SC told me they had ordered new parts for both b-pillars a couple of years ago. When I pushed them as to why they thought the replacement part would help, they acknowledged that it probably wouldn't! So I said 'don’t bother!'.
  37. Battpower

    FSD Beta Button in the UK?

    It seems so obvious to have side facing cameras as far forward as possible - especially since you have the rear facing side repeaters - that I can only think there was some good reason they didn't go that route. If the b-pillar condensation issue was evident from the outset, then you'd think the...
  38. Battpower

    FSD Beta Button in the UK?

    If it is possible to work out what those obligations are! The only light I can see there is that given the resources Tesla is putting into FSD, it must feel under some obligation. The trouble is who it feels that obligation is to.
  39. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Taking a cynical view, even when cars were / are under warranty, any process that takes what for some might be a year or more driving to complete is little more than major kicking can down the street (and over the wty fence too with any luck for Tesla). The very process of starting the diagnosis...
  40. Battpower

    FSD Beta Button in the UK?

    Ah, I stand corrected. /S Who mentioned AP or EAP? Seriously..... FSD Beta / city / US does look better than the bogus fsd / uk I shelled out for. Makes no difference what Tesla say they are doing / about to do in the US if my experience is still at v .01 alpha.
  41. Battpower

    FSD Beta Button in the UK?

    It is something of an anomaly that a robust self driving car - safe enough to.... drive..... should need to convince it's occupants of such by way of pretty pictures. At the moment on current UK versions the (still) jumpy / glitchy visualisations don't inspire much confidence. Just did a...
  42. Battpower

    FSD Beta Videos (and questions for FSD Beta drivers)

    I guess I don't get it either! :) I thought I watched most if not all the AI Day presentations. But Re-write does have the implication that to some extent you are starting over from scratch.
  43. Battpower

    FSD Beta Videos (and questions for FSD Beta drivers)

    Maybe 'rewrite' is a euphemism for 'we were so far off we couldn't build on what we did previously and had to start over'. 'Re-write' as opposed to 'carrying on evolving from the previous build'? I find that hard to believe, but it does beg the question what 're-write' is intended to...
  44. Battpower

    FSD Beta Videos (and questions for FSD Beta drivers)

    I wondered the same thing. May be not harder conditions? Less traffic, fewer people around? Higher contrast (at least in area with headlights)?
  45. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Maybe, and specific to the terms of that particular case. Pretty limited but even within that case the loss is recognized just not compensated for the real benefit of the complainants.
  46. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    The only defined term in the battery warranty was 'unlimited miles'. I still don't know what the warranty from that period actually guaranteed and for some even the 'unlimited mileage' miles didn't mean much in practice because of some other convenient (for Tesla) cap like use of supercharging...
  47. Battpower

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    ahhhhhh..... .mmmm😴
  48. Battpower

    FSD Beta Videos (and questions for FSD Beta drivers)

    One behaviour imo completely missing from public release versions to-date is gentle slowing of the car when its certainty envelope needs more time to catch up. The whole feel is that everything is either completely under control or overloaded. Some of the odd behaviour seen recently (like...
  49. Battpower

    FSD Beta Videos (and questions for FSD Beta drivers)

    Thanks. I've followed all this but without first hand experience of Beta / City, all I see is same old jumping around and duplicated artifacts from time to time. It is really helpful (for me at least!) to hear the same explanation from different perspectives. It has always confused me where the...

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