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  1. Bigriver

    Stuck on 2024.8.4 in my 2022 MX Plaid w/FSD

    I am also stuck on 2024.8.4 in my 2023 model S. I have paid for FSD and 66 days since any update. I have been watching the details of 2024.8.4 on Teslafi. Indeed, very few cars on it, and a perplexing mix of all models and a wide span of years. Feels like being a part of the placebo group in a...
  2. Bigriver

    How well does phone key work compared to the old key fob?

    @mouldsj, why not carry a keycard as a backup? It is less bulky than a fob.
  3. Bigriver

    Should I buy used MX 2016 P90D Founder series with expired warranty?

    @azncaboiz, what do you find appealing about this car? I love my Teslas, which include a 2017 model X. But I would be slow to suggest an 8 year old Tesla with 117,000 miles as someone’s first.
  4. Bigriver

    Fix 2017 Model X suspension issues, or trade in for a new Y?

    They first offered FSD transfer 3rd quarter last year. They skipped 4th quarter then brought it back 1st quarter of this year. I have expected they may make the transfer semi-permanent, maybe with an age limit of those who bought before a certain date. One of the reasons I believe this is that...
  5. Bigriver

    Fix 2017 Model X suspension issues, or trade in for a new Y?

    Free supercharging on a July 2017 car would not be transferable to a subsequent buyer.
  6. Bigriver

    Fix 2017 Model X suspension issues, or trade in for a new Y?

    @allie0610, I am one to keep cars forever. But in your case I would lean towards it being time to get a new model Y. They have great prices, especially if you qualify for the tax credit, and a low finance rate right now. You have enough going on and don’t need the hassle and uncertainty of...
  7. Bigriver

    2021 40k mile Model X LR+ w/HW3 & Autopilot ($60k) or 2023 6k mile Model Y with HW4 & FSD included ($47k)?

    Neither of those seem like particularly good deals. If you qualify for the tax credit, you can get a new model X for$71k. Or a new model Y for $41k. Or even better there are inventory model Y’s for less, plus 0.99% financing.
  8. Bigriver

    Rebooting does not work

    What do you mean by the car was turned off? Sometimes the reboot takes quite awhile — how long are you holding the scroll wheels? Another way to reboot is reset the wheels in the service menu.
  9. Bigriver

    ADDING Chrome - is there a kit

    I was slow to join the chrome delete crowd. But now that I have gone to the dark side, I chrome delete everything. Chrome deleted my microwave a few weeks ago. 😬 So no, sorry, I have no idea how to add chrome.
  10. Bigriver

    parallel universe: assume $ is not an issue (gas, payments, etc.), would you still insist driving MX/MXP SUV over say BMW X7 SUV 100% fully optioned ?

    I don’t have any built by Tesla qualms. Like @Sandiegodoug I have a 7 year old model X that is still amazing. Everything works and looks great and because of OTA updates I think it stands up to the test of time better than other manufacturers.
  11. Bigriver

    parallel universe: assume $ is not an issue (gas, payments, etc.), would you still insist driving MX/MXP SUV over say BMW X7 SUV 100% fully optioned ?

    @ev919, I have never owned a BMW and never had a BMW on my potential purchase list. So I guess this thread isn’t meant for me. But just on the surface, the looks of that BMW holds no more appeal to me than a PT Cruiser. And it is a gas car? I will never go back to pumping gas.
  12. Bigriver

    How long between FSD computer update and download of version 12

    I don’t think getting the FSD computer will do anything to hasten getting V12 vs V11. V12 is currently the 2024.3 branch. Many people are on the 2024.8 branch with FSD 11.4.9 and waiting for V12 to catch up. What software version are you on?
  13. Bigriver

    Autopark Model 3 & Y vs Model S & X

    I haven’t specifically compared autopark features, but I totally agree that Tesla has not utilized the larger/more screen space well on the refreshed S/X. It baffles me that we don’t have simple things like the tire pressure and trip cards like in the 3/Y, or even better yet, that info on the IC...
  14. Bigriver

    2017 X 100D. What is a degradation level that will trigger a battery replacement ?

    @Marcboy I have never heard of any battery getting replaced due to degradation. The HV battery does get replaced for some, but it is due to other failure mechanisms, not battery degradation. I have always thought the 30% degradation number given by Tesla on newer cars is somewhat a red herring -...
  15. Bigriver

    model x 2017 FSD upgrade

    MCU2 will give you alternate routes. I fully think that Tesla should have paid for MCU2 updates for cars that purchased FSD since it seems to be necessary hardware. But it’s not a hill that I am willing to die on and for me, I am really glad that I just got the MCU2 update as soon as it was...
  16. Bigriver

    model x 2017 FSD upgrade

    EAP has the all-important (to me) lane change on highways. And I have been in unfamiliar cities when the Navigation on Autopilot changing of highways has been important to me. So EAP is good, but I really don’t care anything about Summons. As I have used FSD Beta for several years now, I have...
  17. Bigriver

    model x 2017 FSD upgrade

    Tesla changed the price for FSD last night. It is $8k for those who have basic autopilot and $2k for those with EAP.
  18. Bigriver

    model x 2017 FSD upgrade

    You will get the HW3 update and the cameras, if needed. But you will have to pay for the MCU2 update.
  19. Bigriver

    What Would Compel You To Upgrade to a Future Model X?

    Why oh why isn’t this a thing on the model X? The model 3, model Y and model S all have middle arm rests for the back seat.
  20. Bigriver

    Model X 2020 teething issues

    I prefer the phone as key but the legacy model X key fob works for me in a totally passive mode. I have not touched it in years, it just has to be buried in something I am carrying. It will passively unlock all doors without touching the fob. Here are my settings. I am guessing you may have the...
  21. Bigriver

    Testa Model X - p90(82K miles) vs 100D(92k Miles)

    An end of 2016 would be essentially the same as a beginning 2017. A beginning of 2016 vs an end of 2017 would be pretty different.
  22. Bigriver

    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    V12 is currently only on 2024.3.*. OTA updates can’t go backwards. You have to wait for FSD V12 to get to a 2024.8.* or higher number version.
  23. Bigriver

    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    What makes your 2017 a unicorn?
  24. Bigriver

    Car does not turn off when me and wife exit together

    What did service center say?
  25. Bigriver

    2017 Model X 100D-FSD?

    @Averdi, that 2017 model X ‘s VIN is within 1000 of mine. I have had it since it was new and it has been a good car. Your question about FSD…. I have FSD beta on my 2017 model X. It has performed essentially the same as FSD on my model 3. It has gotten all the same FSD updates until V12 2...
  26. Bigriver

    Lug nut covers?

    I think so. I can confirm that I have interchanged lug nut covers for a 2013 model S (19” wheels), a 2017 model X (20” wheels), and a 2018 model 3 (18” wheels).
  27. Bigriver

    2020 Model X LR+ w/FSD 40k miles for $48k - yes or no?

    No it does not. The turn signal does not bring up the side camera view on my 2017 model X (with MCU2.) I believe this feature was never added for any of the vertical screen cars. I have wondered why not. It is indeed at the top of my list for things that this legacy car is missing.
  28. Bigriver

    2020 Model X LR+ w/FSD 40k miles for $48k - yes or no?

    @billionaiire, I don’t know why you are getting such negative responses and very little content in the responses. I have not been shopping for a used Tesla so I do not know what they are going for. But to me, this sounds like a good deal. The long range plus was the last of the vertical screens...
  29. Bigriver

    Thinking of trading 2018 M3 LWD for 2018 MX 100D with FSD

    It can have FSD capability listed as a spec on the car without having the ability to download FSD Beta because of MCU1. Statistically, a 2018 is more likely to have MCU2 tho.
  30. Bigriver

    Thinking of trading 2018 M3 LWD for 2018 MX 100D with FSD

    You would want to know if it has MCU1 or MCU2. Builds before April 2018 had MCU1 but it could have been upgraded to MCU2 for about $2500. I have essentially your currently model 3 and this model X (mine is late 2017, very similar to 2018). I love the model X but it has always felt much more...
  31. Bigriver

    FSD Subscription Timing

    Yes, I understand that now, but Tesla doesn’t tell you that. Thus the value of these forums. This thread was the most helpful I found on the subject. Sorry that you found my post adding no value.
  32. Bigriver

    FSD Subscription Timing

    And yes, I wanted to confirm because there was some conflicting guidance in this thread, indicating it might be possible to get a FSD version without it being FSD Beta. I don’t think that is ever true any more.
  33. Bigriver

    FSD Subscription Timing

    Or longer is the key phrase here. I got this version 8 days ago and there is still no FSD version noted in Teslafi.
  34. Bigriver

    FSD Subscription Timing

    I can confirm that although Teslafi doesn’t show any FSD Beta version associated with 2024.8.4 (my version), I just subscribed to FSD and got FSD Beta 11.4.9.
  35. Bigriver

    2017 X100D - Serious problems

    Here is a thread with someone else with grayed out name. My takeaway was that Tesla needs to reset something to let you rename it. Trouble Registering 2016 Model X we just purchased No, not normal!
  36. Bigriver

    2017 X100D - Serious problems

    @Odysseus007, wow that is a long list of things. I also have a late 2017 100D, 7 seater, black. Like @scottf200, first thing I wonder about is your MCU status. If it is MCU1 did it have eMMC chip replaced, or even better, has it been upgraded to MCU2? My car often had a wide array of varying...
  37. Bigriver

    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    I thought interior cameras were introduced with the 2021/2022-ish refresh. If so, all vertical screens are missing interior cameras and are referred to as legacy by Tesla. I believe the vertical screen and the lack of interior cameras could delay the roll out to us. For example, no interior...
  38. Bigriver

    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    Pre-nose cone refresh cars were pre-AP2. No possibility of FSD.
  39. Bigriver

    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    And I would note that the above picture cut off a bottom line that is another Model X refresh number, so the numbers do add up for both the model s and model X. The years and the plaid/refresh are just a different way to slice the same data. I think it is quite certain that no vertical screen...
  40. Bigriver

    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    Teslafi clearly shows FSD12 only on 2023.* versions. Back when it took some time and mystery to get FSD Beta, I know that there were a number of people who traded in a FSD Beta car, purchased FSD on their new car, only to get in line to wait to get FSD Beta again. So while there is a program to...
  41. Bigriver

    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    I don’t know that you are catching that some of us on this thread ARE the “early” FSD beta testers, but have legacy model X’s, and have been moved from the 2023 branch, where we were in line for V12, to the 2024 line. We are all too well understanding we are no longer in line. I consider my...
  42. Bigriver

    Model X paint quality - rock chips

    I have a 2017 model X with 89,000 miles. Obsidian black. No ppf. Hardly any chips. I would say it has held up much better than average.
  43. Bigriver

    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    Yeah, I installed the 2024 version. I always just say yes to new updates and then later see what changes they bring. My gut reaction was just that they have taken us out of the leading edge of the development, not that they will stop giving us FSD updates. I hope that is the case, but this...
  44. Bigriver

    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    No. Tesla refers to all vertical screen cars as legacy. There are many vertical screen model S and X’s that came with the FSD computer and many more that didn’t need the exterior cameras upgraded. Many legacy S/X’s needed no hardware updates for FSD. My 2017 model X with MCU2 and originally...
  45. Bigriver

    2022 Used Model X Plaid or 2024 New Model X Non Plaid

    A Plaid with 22” wheels holds no appeal for me. A rough ride, lower efficiency and acceleration I would never need nor use. And it’s 2 years old with 2 years less warranty and 2 years of little changes not included. And the FSD would mean something to me. I just bought a 2023 model S with only...
  46. Bigriver

    Model X Supercharging without account.

    I would notice if unexpected charges showed up on my credit card. But I’m not sure most people would notice within 2 weeks. Regardless, one of the best things about Tesla is the app access. You really should get that, both for your own convenience and to secure your car.
  47. Bigriver

    Model X Supercharging without account.

    If it shows a $ amount in the car for your last supercharging session, then it is not free supercharging. If it shows $0, then it has free supercharging. Another test is simply to look at any supercharging location on the map in the car. Cars with free supercharging don’t list the $/kWh price.
  48. Bigriver

    Model X Supercharging without account.

    @Rot rjn the owner of the Tesla account associated with the VIn gets charged. Unless it has free supercharging. When you supercharge, does it show a $ value? If so, someone else is paying. As long as it is on someone else’s account, they can see wherever the car is, can access it and drive it. I...
  49. Bigriver

    Transfer Tesla Car from my in-law's Tesla account to My own Tesla Account; Will I lose the FSD?

    @DingoStar, FSD stays with the car when it is transferred to another account. The OP’s question was linked to whether there was any special stipulation because the car in question had belonged to a Tesla employee who got FSD for free.
  50. Bigriver

    2021 Model X, Monroney Sticker Range Increase

    You are in a thread about the 2021 model X range.