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  1. eivissa

    Vendor Scan My Tesla, a CANBUS reader for Android

    1.9.18 / 5th of July
  2. eivissa

    Vendor Scan My Tesla, a CANBUS reader for Android

    Latest SMT update for android fixed CAC and range for me.
  3. eivissa

    [Survey] Battery Degradation - All models from 2019

    Because the pack is actually a 62kWh pack... Highest I've seen was 61.7kWh nominal Remaining, but I don't have screenshot of it. Here is 61.3kWh from another session: 60.5 is just an identifier for the pack, not it's true max or new. capacity. This pack is usually Software locked to around...
  4. eivissa

    [Survey] Battery Degradation - All models from 2019

    Here is now my first attempt at creating an interactive app for this survey: https://teslatech.streamlit.app/ Feel free to add you own data via the Google Forms link, play around with all the filters from the side bar and let me know your ideas how to improve and expand the thing!
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    2024 Model 3 LR AWD is now eligible for the $7500 tax credit [posted 06/17/2024]

    Here is a US charge curve that looks exactly like the European one:
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    2024 Model 3 LR AWD is now eligible for the $7500 tax credit [posted 06/17/2024]

    This verified 2170L by battery pack part number or CAN Full Pack When New value? It seems low indeed, but in Europe that is the limit. I've also watched some US charge tests and saw the drop at the same spot. I was expecting the US model to pull 250kW for longer and therefore proving that this...
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    2024 Model 3 LR AWD is now eligible for the $7500 tax credit [posted 06/17/2024]

    There is no noticeable better degradation for the LG packs (NMC) vs the Panasonic's (NCA) at least according to my Tesla specific survey: Another factor is discharge power. The Panasonic Long Range (w. or w/o Boost) will have around 25kW more power than the LG, because of different voltage sag...
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    MASTER THREAD: 2021 Model 3 - Charge data, battery discussion etc

    There are no new highland batteries. Highland uses LG and CATL packs in Europe that have been introduced in late Q4/2021.
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    2024 Model 3 LR AWD is now eligible for the $7500 tax credit [posted 06/17/2024]

    You can compare most details in my German Wiki article here: https://tff-forum.de/t/wiki-akkuwiki-model-3-model-y-cybertruck/107641?u=eivissa The current US Panasonic is the 3L and the LG equivalent is called the 5L. Just guessing, but I think the difference is mostly packaging/cooling layout...
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    2024 Model 3 LR AWD is now eligible for the $7500 tax credit [posted 06/17/2024]

    Panasonic 2170L LR pack is 475kg according to European type certification and 480kg according to EPA test certificate. LG M50F LR pack is 456kg according to European type certification. EPA stopped listing battery pack weights right about when the LG pack was first used in the states.
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    2024 Model 3 LR AWD is now eligible for the $7500 tax credit [posted 06/17/2024]

    Yes. They have been going backwards since the release of the original Panasonic Long Range pack in 2018/2019. Those packs showed over 79kWh in some EPA tests. The best current Panasonic packs average around 80kWh, some go to 82kWh. LG no more than 79kWh. The old packs would pull 250kW to 30%...
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    2024 Model 3 LR AWD is now eligible for the $7500 tax credit [posted 06/17/2024]

    There is another good hint... AWD = 85kW + 191kW = 370hp AWD-E = 88kW + 208kW = 397hp Since the LG is known to have around 20kW less peak power, this fits quite well!
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    2024 Model 3 LR AWD is now eligible for the $7500 tax credit [posted 06/17/2024]

    In the EPA Docs it says LR AWD and LR AWD-E weigh the same, but this may also be an error, as the Panasonic should be 20kg heavier. It also lists all cars, even Performance as 230A, which cant be correct, as LG is 230Ah and Panasonic is 235-236Ah. This is a bit confusing...
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    2024 Model 3 LR AWD is now eligible for the $7500 tax credit [posted 06/17/2024]

    Steer all the way to the left, then go behind the front right wheel (left side of the wheel). You should be able to move your arm with your phone in your hand above the lower wishbone into the "belly of the car". Now you want to have video function recording and film to the rear of the car...
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    2024 Model 3 LR AWD is now eligible for the $7500 tax credit [posted 06/17/2024]

    Part number is the most definitive way, but one could also just drive to a V3/V4 SUC with preconditioning with SOC at 10% or below. If the car then pulls 250kW to at least 14% it is a Panasonic. If it hits 250kW for a few seconds and then drops it is the LG. Some people with back problems might...
  16. eivissa

    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    It was an easy task as it's not really a new motor. Just the 4D1 that was in use already in the US and EU Model Y which was then combined with the latest / strongest Inverter that is coming with the 4D3. The M3P's 4D2 is not even the latest generation as only with the latest 4D3 they were able...
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    The EU Type Certificate for the M3P 2024 was just corrected. Now the 16% are also there... 16% more peak torque ✅ / This is only looking at the rear motor change in the 🇺🇸 from 420Nm to 490Nm. This now confirms that all relevant changes claimed by Tesla marketing only refer to changes at...
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    I've tried to find all available numbers that were claimed by Tesla homologation and marketing around the world: 22% more continous power ✅ / Both motors combined were rated at 155kW and now 190kW. Though this does not translate in any real world (drivable) performance increase. This is bench...
  19. eivissa

    What motor does your 2023 Model Y have?

    The shape alone identifies it as a 4D1 👍
  20. eivissa

    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    In the first press briefing for some journalists and youtubers it was apparently said, that the brake pads have been changed. This was the only mentioned change that I saw in the articles that followed. I know this is not the best source, but worth mentioning as it sounds credible.
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    It is hard to find a correlation between these claimed values and results we see from CANBUS data, Dyno tests and simply comparing US Panasonic cars with Chinese LG competitors. I've also sorted them in order of claimed power. The EPA filed power levels are the lowest, but then there is no...
  22. eivissa

    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    Once these cars are in the hand of drivers I hope we can encourage people to setup a Teslalogger Docker Container and install Scan My Tesla (Android) to stream 24/7 into Teslalogger. I have written a tutorial how to extract the most essential data into a single file which me and surely others...
  23. eivissa

    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    You are quoting CANBUS Motor power and I am quoting Tesla Marketing claimed Hub power after all losses.
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    I doubt that it will go that high. In China they are already claiming a peak of 265kW at the rear with a pack that is "only" down 20kW to the Panasonic. That is apparently based of the old claim of 202kW for the 3D1, which puts it at 267kW, similar to the Chinese claim. We can all repeat...
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    No, because the maximum power of each motor is at different speeds. The addition of these two motors is made countless times and countless times it is pointless. Also we've seen that even if it was possible, that the battery can not saturate both motors at the same time.
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    Here is a comprehensive overview of all the specs that were claimed by Tesla marketing Registration docs in the US/EU CANBUS data... If a cell is empty there is simply no data yet, but I will update the list whenever there is new stuff coming in...
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    MASTER THREAD: 2021 Model 3 - Charge data, battery discussion etc

    LG packs always start low and then rise within the first months. Applying the first range disregards the true capacity of the pack, so your result can not be actual Degradation but a delta of an initially uncalibrated pack and the current state. Also you've bought 580km, so the resembling...
  28. eivissa

    MASTER THREAD: 2021 Model 3 - Charge data, battery discussion etc

    The highest logged capacity of that pack was 554km / 75.9kWh. 580km WLTP usable capacity was around 75.5kWh, so it depends were you apply the baseline.
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    MASTER THREAD: 2021 Model 3 - Charge data, battery discussion etc

    Tesla has configured all M3LR from 2021 to 2023 (except Highland) with the same consumption constant (137Wh/km) and Degradation threshold 78.9kWh. The car doesn't care if you have a 3, 3C, 5C or 5L (yours) in it.
  30. eivissa

    MASTER THREAD: 2021 Model 3 - Charge data, battery discussion etc

    The Model 3 LR with Panasonic 82kWh had 358 miles EPA. I believe that is were they are setting the degradation treshold. Meaning that the range will not go higher than that even if there is more energy going into the pack.
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    No it is not. It only shows a change at the rear motor. It also only shows the changes to the rear motor in China (3D6 vs 4D2). This motor hat 259kW as the highest measurement on CAN were the US 3D1 had actual 269kW as highest limit. So you can already deduct a bit for the less difference in the...
  32. eivissa

    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    The graph shows a power curve of the rear motor, without total values / scaling, without changes of the front motor or total power. I am not sure how you can interpret all unseen data into it. I am not questioning that the car will be accelerating better at all speeds, never have, but it is very...
  33. eivissa

    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    The sum of combined power can not be above the battery limit (obviously). So, as I mention, part of the increase comes from taking away front power, which I've accounted for in my projections as well. So this chart is actually misleading in several ways, as you also point out. The combination...
  34. eivissa

    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    Did you guys see this from the China presentation? This is the rear motor with claimed 265kW power, which is supposed to be a 20% power increase of the previous gen (which measured up to 269kW on CAN) Worth noting that a fair bit of that power increase comes from a reduction at the front motor...
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    Yes. The registration has all those details. The gearing is identical on all Model 3/Y also stated explicitly for the 4D2. The 4D2 is a 4D1 with the 950A Inverter. The 4D1 was already used in the Model Y in Austin/Fremont, but with the 840A Inverter. The 4D1 in direct WLTP testing against the...
  36. eivissa

    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    No, it is complete marketing BS! I've made a statement about this in German here: https://tff-forum.de/t/model-3-performance-ludicrous-seit-23-04-2024-bestellbar/177126/4059?u=eivissa And a lenghty discussion here:
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    Yep. I can only guess that they are finally acknowledging and declaring the different power levels of those two battery packs. Though it doesn't fit my expected markets for the LG cars, really.
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    Are we done now with the 600+ HP and the 2.5s talks? 😉
  39. eivissa

    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    Yes. That is the only reference to maximum power. Although it is just the addition of the certified motor power levels. 158kW + 219kW = 377kW 158kW + 235kW = 393kW In both cases the battery was the only driver of actual road power, like in your case your 377kW car already had the same motors as...
  40. eivissa

    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    Absolutely not. Option codes of the engineering test cars revealed the old front motor and the European certification lists the exact same motor and specs as any other Model 3/Y with dual motor.
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    Within the European type approval of the Model 3 there is a description of the braking system. With the latest revision 36, which includes introduction of the new M3P/M3L, this sentence was added. The added picture is out of the type approval for the braking system of the model 3, back when...
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    That ship has already sailed I'm afraid. The 4D2 is based on the 4D1 and uses the same rotor. Verified by comparing rotor inertia masses of the two.
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    There are definitely others here, who are better at extrapolating power curve increases into drag time improvements. I am also on the ball park 2.9s and sub 11s, but again, others do this kind of thing much better than me.
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    Maybe in the States, but certainly not in Europe. This is Data from a Q4/2020 M3P Refresh 2021 and a Q2/2021 M3P Refresh 2021. These cars got an update in Q1/2021 that significantly improved low SOC performance and another one in Q2 which improved cold weather performance. The first one reduced...
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    This is the LG 5L 3D6 M3P 2022 -> First kick is... 120A 50kW
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    This is the sensation that a lot of drivers confirm from feeling how the car is driving. Though the Model 3/Y formula of constant current is valid for all versions. Meaning a Long Range without boost will always limit to 980A, with Boost go to 1255A and a Performance will use 1350A. So with...
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    When that was a thing I was still messing with BMW and Merc V8 engines and I haven't measured on any Tesla before 2019, so I really don't know. I just quoted the manual. If you look at that projected torque curve, you also see that all motors are limited to the same combined torque really...
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    I've done a rough projection of 30% torque increase, if Tesla were to use Ludicrous mode as in the MS/MX in the past:
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    Yes, exactly that. Even across 3D1, 3D6, 4D1 you can see power increase at the same level and peak torque be identical until around 70kph. Only at low soc you see that this low speed behaviour is dropping. So there is an artificial limit, that Tesla can raise.
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    Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

    That's true, but I know a lot of people here care about those little details, so it should be mentioned. Also, this new motor might be the new front and year contender for the MS/MX Refresh in the close future. In that setup the 4D2 might actually be able to climb all the way to 318kW.