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Obviously I disagree with your interpretation of Tesla’s claim (as well as how I view a reasonable person would take it) hence I posted my...
I would agree such a statement would be a useful start to fixing things, if they really are that much behind from their existing claims like...
That is not what Tesla claimed on Autonomy Investor Day. On Autonomy Investor Day earlier in 2019 Tesla claimed ”feature complete” meant ”Level 5...
I am concerned Tesla lied when they said they expected to be ”Level 5 no geofence feature complete” at the end of 2019. This lie would be...
I think it can be argued Tesla would have done just as well or even better had they not made the lofty ”sleep in your car” Level 5 no geofence...
I’m not so concerned whether or not Tesla misses ”feature complete” at the end of 2019, after all it was always an internal deadline that would...
That is not correct. If someone posted such a thing, it would be wrong. Well, misleading at least. Level 5 is allowed to be limited to a market...
Well, not really where we differ mainly, the geofence thing is more of a side point. I think the notion that Tesla is any kind of feature complete...
Now, having said the above, I am not unreasonable by any means. If Tesla simply tongue slipped and ”Level 5 no geofence feature complete” at the...
FSD is purely Tesla terminology, but even if it wasn’t you calling FSD Level 3+ makes no sense. Only Level 5 is ”Full” according to SAE (Full...
So still nothing for those who purchased FSD early if FSD sneak preview does not require FSD. Not that we have the HW3 upgrade either, but just...
When has Tesla spoken of FSD being anything other than Level 5 though? And as FSD is a Tesla-only term, I would say it must be considered Level 5....
I see two possible reasons: 1. He is telling the truth and Tesla is far more advanced than cynics expect when it comes to autonomous driving. 2....
@diplomat33 ”Starting to roll out feature complete” is a fairly well defined statement and it seems it does not mean what you think it means,...
Yeah, unfortunately that is possible.
”Level 5 no geofence” then? Because that is what ”feature complete” means unless Elon Musk lied at Autonomy Investor Day or you are trying to...
It would have been the easiest thing back in 2016 and again 2019 for Elon to not use Level 5 when describing AP2/HW3 and use some other wording...
A thing can be a massive hoax even if not all elements of it are. I agree we don’t know yet if AP2 (upgraded by Tesla as need be) Level 5 is a...
If they retrofit it, that is of course one thing, and that would be a mitigating factor. But Elon is on record as announcing Level 5 no geofence...
It would be one thing if it was merely to seek investment. This was a consumer product sold.
I was making a point for the benefit of the readers. I did not expect a response from you necessarily. Many Tesla newcomers gloss over this...
Can’t be. Elon said 2016 Model S/X AP2 is already Level 5 capable hardware and on Autonomy Investor Day he said HW3 is the processor upgrade...
By summer 2017 definitely, I hear. p.s. It diverged officially with the cones already earlier.
@DrLegoHair So, at what point will "Full Self-Driving Capability" features noticeably depart from "Enhanced Autopilot" features for us who bought...
Yes, we knew we were buying FSD differentiating features definitely by summer 2017: [img] None have shipped yet for us, though. This was your...
Because that is how SAE defines it. Manufacturer declares which SAE Level their car is designed for, what the ODD is and so forth. Regulators...
Nope. Elon did not claim FSD feature complete. He claimed Level 5 no geofence feature complete at the end of 2019 (expectation). Both Level 5...
I don’t disagree with that. My response was to the responsibility part. Once Level 4 has accepted responsibility, it can not demand anyone take it...
Nope, can not do that. Level 4 must always be able to reach MRC without a responsible driver. Remember, Level 4 allows driver to leave the car....
You make it sound like Tesla is somehow ahead of the pack in visual crash avoidance. In actual fact, they are behind the pack. Many other...
@tomc603 @diplomat33 No matter if Teslas perform the DDT on the ODD, they do not perform MRC and that is why they are no way Level 4-5 functional...
But Level 4-5 prototypes can require safety drivers and still be Level 4-5. SAE is specific about this. It is all in the standard. Just read it.
It is not subjective, since Level is a manufacturer definition. Either the manufacturer defines the Level or they do not. Prototypes are...
Waymo reads traffic signs, Waymo even reads the arm of a police officer waving for the traffic to move ahead when traffic lights have been turned...
Also there is a significant difference in the automatic emergency braking and maneuvering capabilities of competing cars compared to their...
Sure, the communication protocol itself certainly is open to risks, but the car would still have to make a holistic determination regarding what...
Thank you for that useful argumentation. :)
It could require HW3 to work sufficiently well for anything more than a warning (and launching HW3 features is a can of worms retrofit-wise), for...
Not at all. It just shows it has not been released yet for whatever reason. We don’t know what the reason is. Smart Summon was delayed by a year...
If history is any judge, it will initially miss a lot of cases, but that’s okay because the driver will catch them.
Sometimes I just don’t understand @diplomat33. I would consider it absolutely the normal response to expect intial stop sign/red light...
Why would V2V have to increase risks? Obviously the cars could and should still use their other senses to make the best overall judgement of a...
That is not what I said. I said it will likely miss stops and that it is realistic, based both on history of Tesla Autopilot and what little we...
Sounds like a privacy nightmare. Not saying it won’t happen, just that privacy is one upside of local V2V.
@diplomat33 this is the point I responded to: Not this which is completely different: You claimed Tesla would not release a traffic light...
This is of course true. Even though Tesla uses OpenStreetMap as a data source, does not mean they use it real-time. Their mapping and navigation...
Why not? In late 2016 Tesla released a rudimentary version of Autopilot 2 that was so bad that it would totally have done the sort of dangerous...
This is completely wrong from @DopeGhoti. Tesla’s mapping history is a complex one, but to cut a long story short, in around 2017 (much before...
While I do think Tesla is only going to ramp up the retrofits slowly and @diplomat33 ’s expecation of some ”mass retrofits” starting at some point...
@bhzmark Well, actually more than likely the old thread of this title was effectively true. Ghost braking happened and that caused a swerve in...
