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As @Devils son already answered, the LG is performing noticeably better in colder climates. It is barely ever power limited in a way that the...
Why do you say "would"? The currently sold E3CD is exactly that. Old LR/P 2170C Battery Pack with Heat pump. So far I've only heard performance...
If you take this as a scientific or WLTP comparable test...maybe. I don't. Then again I don't see a point in reigniting this debate. The facts...
How would that work? That video is about v13 (Refresh initial version) from October 2020. The LR with the 2170L cells was only certified for...
Yes. That is the next step Tesla will take, but they haven't yet. No E3LD anywhere to be seen and Tesla won't hand out the additional range as a...
The question was about the LR getting the 82KWH 2170L Pack, which you can see from the quotes above my original post. True, I was saying that...
It will not. All deliveries to Europe are E3CD (old 79KWH Panasonic) and E5D (new LG 77KWH).
Only that no one has actually seen the 82KWH pack in a Long Range yet. Only Performance for now.
That was just a longer drive on the German Autobahn with speed between 120khp and 160kph to warm up the battery for DC charing enroute (didnt work...
I can only assume that with every run the battery was heating up more and more. A battery at 35°C cell temperature can still pull well at 30% SoC....
I've done comparable tests today @ 30°C Cell Temp Mid with the same results: -Base voltage at 30% and 20% SoC is identical with Björns video....
Left one is new. That lens on the outside is what sets them apart. [IMG]
The Long Range that were delivered to Europe later in December had the new headlights as well and all the MIC SR+. Now in Q1 all this long range I...
Here are some extractions of the two videos posted by Björn Nyland about the Performance Refresh vs. LG Long Range Refresh. -The Base Voltage is...
Yes. That is the part I am referring to. My performance refresh would not drop below 280V in any circumstance on the 4000km I have done in it so...
We have done some extensive testing and number crunching in the German Forums and Björns numbers match ours both in that the LG LR is surprisingly...
Well, we now have 003 DU Cat. II and it is a new generation rear motor of the SR+ (CATL) made in China. They are now using "hairpin winding"...
Well that car is a v13 so they could have made a mistake and acknowledge that the car is an E3D, but no way E3CD. The latter only came with v14!
Then they might have done the same for the same reasons with low voltage. The Old Performance allowed a minimum voltage of 270V. The new one stops...
My Nominal Full Pack and Rated Range jump around in sync so far. This is just a look at my last 30 days. I haven't seen the rated range hit 500km...
Yes, basically the two theories to calibrate your BMS. -A longer period of charging to 60% daily. -Leaving your car parked and able to sleep at...
Then I am 100% certain, that this car has the 82.1 KWH battery with Nominal Full Pack of 78.5 KWH exactly. We have seen '21 P models go as low as...
@AAKEE said it pretty much all. That sticker find sure is interesting and should get a closer look. I dont think Tesla is sneaking in 2170C / 77.8...
Second E3CD registered in Germany now has 79KWH in the papers. This sounds about right, but mainly it shows that there are still errors in the...
Owning the Performance model myself I havent paid too much attention to this issue. I guess there is a possibility that this is still a 79KWH...
Model 3 Drive Unit Category 1? I am guessing this is just a placeholder for major changes in the drive train. Like the Model S Plaid getting a...
The upper one is a Model 3 Performance Refresh delivered in Dec. 2020 to Europe. _E3D-Pp2s5N The lower one is a Model 3 Performance Refresh on...
The long range does not have the same battery and cells, nor the same charging curve, nor the same bms limitations -> Power @ given SoC / Temp. I...
"I don't agree with you, here is data to support my position" This was the question: Again, no offense, but...as someone who: -doesn't drive...
I would say the two questions belong together. I've got the 2020.48.35.5 on my car for seven days now and this is my drive data from that time...
It can now have the same battery pack as the P already got with the refresh or it can get a battery with the same cells (2170L) but different...
The consumption value on the COC is supposed to include charging losses indeed.
Actually there were hints on the new door panels in posts #1706 and #1709.
Now just to get this straight. I disqualify for the discussion, because I say that I don't know if something is true or not (mainly because I...
You doubt, but you dont know. Not a good start at a court hearing. Were do they report 82KWH in a Long Range? Which paperwork? Show me one Long...
Oh boy. My "claim" was that Tesla has demonstrated a range of 580km in a standartized test to the European authorities (NL). I am not the one...
You can make these claims over and over again, but it won't make a difference as a post in some forum. If you think you have solid proof then go...
The LR and P for the EU continue to be produced on in Fremont. Only the SR+ came from China in the last month's. Even that seems to shift back to...
-This confirms the updated door panels for the EU Model 3 produced after the 28th of December 2020. Surely this will also be the case for the US,...
And in addition to Phil's Update, here is the "change log" for v14: [ATTACH] [ATTACH] [ATTACH]
81KWH => 498 km Full Rated Range
Not having read the last days, but here in Germany we just measured a 2021 Performance with 81KWH. The highest value I've seen so far. [ATTACH]
How about the 4.5% Buffer? Then you have your EPA range number. The E3D Long Range shows EPA + Buffer. E5D shows EPA incl. Buffer. Without any...
Were would you like to see this? The car shows you the advertised EPA range. You are asking for the WLTP Numbers in the car, which you just wont...
Yes you are right, but its only the naming in the cell. The actual calculation is Nominal Full Pack x 0.955 to remove the buffer from the calculation.
Yes, using Nominal Full Pack = Full Pack When New is just theoretical to compare with the same values and to have an idea what the highest...
This is basically how I've calculated with all the SMT Data gathered in Germany from the Refreshed LR LG, LR PANA and Performance. [IMG]
I have SMT-scanned three M3P refresh now and the rated consumption on all three has been identical at 15.45KWH/rKm. Also the rated range hasnt...
I am afraid this is not a hint. The update just increased the rated range indication in the car to now show the EPA values. We have some battery...
I have described the task in our TFF Performance Refresh Drivers thread. Will keep you guys posted if we get some more data :-)