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All that and you didn't tell us which car it was? Model 3? Model S"
When you say that the range is 292 miles, is that the actual number of miles that you can get? Or is it the cars display of range? Important...
Good for you. Good idea to get an "inventory" car. I also got my Model S that way. Big discount. Small mileage hit. I do wonder if the sales...
Well, let's see. My 280 mile Model S delivers 200 miles of real range. So the the 400 mile model should deliver maybe 300 miles.
Sorry Ran. I am just not understanding most of what you are saying. At 6 months of age, my cars battery had 72-73 kwh of usable capacity. And my...
In the summer of 2016, the new Model S 90D cars in the showrooms displayed a full charge Rated Range of around 280-285 miles. The usable capacity...
Yes, I know that I said the same thing a few times. I felt if appropriate because it appears that many readers read only replies to their own...
Many of us have found unexpectedly large loss of battery capacity (and loss of range). Battery degradation may or may not be revealed by a...
I suspect that many owners would be surprised and disappointed by the extent of their battery degradation. If they knew what it really was. (My...
Using full charge range to estimate battery degradation may result in a mistaken idea that battery degradation is minimal. Actual battery...
Change of displayed full charge range may not reveal all of the battery degradation. My early 2016 90D still shows a full charge range just a few...
You are assuming that the cars display of range at full charge is an accurate reflection of battery capacity and battery degradation. Battery...
Your actual battery degradation could be much worse. The cars display of range may not account for all of the battery degradation. My 2016 Model S...
Good for you, drklain, that you car and battery deliver as advertised. You are lucky. On average, Model S owners get around 70% of the Rated...
What is it about your experience that confuses you? Sounds like you just discovered the marvel of one pedal driving. Acceleration, coasting,...
Just remember that the cars display of range may not decrease in proportion to actual battery degradation. In other words, your battery may have...
Wow. Stories like this are piling up. Terrible.
A number of disappointments on this. First, the Rated Range was never a very realistic value. I was told that it was readily achievable by the...
I too have the display set to SOC rather than Rated Range. Two reasons. First, the Rated Range is a useless lie. To get real range I would have to...
You are correct that there is a Rated Range which relies on a "hardwired" value for wh/mile. (On mine, it is 300 wh/mile). Most of us here having...
Weight and weight distribution can't be much different. I thought that the biggest contributor to increased efficiency was the newer front motor.
Those numbers tell a clear story. Original battery, new: 350 wh/mi x 208 mi = 72.8 kwh Original battery, ultimately: 315 wh/mi x 190 mi = 60 kwh...
Compared to older Model S cars, that 253 wh/mile is pretty incredible. Mine is 351 averaged over many years. Earlier in this post, the older Model...
Very interesting. So; what range are you getting with this new battery? (achieved range. Not displayed range). And at what wh/mile? What were...
I have seen this displayed. But I did not capture it.
I have long suspected that energy used while parked might not be counted in that trips page. So all of my measurements of battery capacity have...
The CAN bus read-out and multiple observations of the trip computer have always and repeatedly showed 72-73 kwh of usable capacity. For example,...
Tell me more about; "his homes are on Zillow".
I claimed that my cars display of range is concealing battery degradation because: The display of full charge range is within 5-10 miles of when...
As a partial compensation for the simple-minded and uselessly optimistic display of rated range, the navigator does a very good job of predicting...
This goes along with my experience as well. I also got evasive and nonsensical answers when complaining about loss of battery capacity and loss of...
You are correct. It is two separate issues. One, useable battery capacity. And two, rated wh/mile, driving efficiency. They both impact range. In...
Now that I know the definitions, it makes sense. Battery degradation (battery capacity loss) equals Nominal new car minus Nominal now. Or, I...
Okay. It's just a weird use of the word "nominal".
So the "nominal" battery capacity is changing? If so, then I cannot imagine what "nominal" means here.
Thanks. I get it. Marketing capacity (85 kwh). Real, new, ideal, calculated capacity (81.5 kwh) being called "nominal".
Interesting to consider variations between individual cars. Tire pressure? Wheel alignment?
No. I cannot "easily go under the rated number" in my car. Of course I can get low consumption going downhill or coasting. But any trip that...
Thanks. But I still don't know what this new definition of "nominal" refers to. It is called an "85 kwh" battery. Due to top and bottom buffers...
What is the meaning of the word "nominal" here? The usual meaning of that word in this situation is the named value. Like a 2 by 4 is only...
To make a good argument to Tesla that the battery is inadequate, you need a more substantive complaint than simply the display of range is low....
My 90 kwh battery only has 72 kwh of usable capacity. When new the "90 kwh" batteries had a usable capacity in the low 80's. And that would be...
Interesting situation. You probably got a deficient battery. The rep gave you terrible answers. However, you do need to drive the car to determine...
The cars display of range may not reveal significant battery degradation. (My 90D displays a nearly new full charge range even though the usable...
More questions. What is an LTO battery? And is one available for a Tesla? What are these voltage spikes that Wycolo posted about? Would a...
Manipulating the software to display an inaccurate full charge rated range seems very possible. (How could one know?). How do I know if I have a...
That is one way to look at it. New owners need to expect that on average they are likely to have a range around 70% of the rated range. Despite...
Truly exceptional. And over a long period of time and miles. Good for you. The vast majority of Model S owners use much more than 245 wh/mile....
Yes, displaying Rated Range which is well calibrated to my car would be very useful. But in my car (2016 Model S 90D) it is very poorly...
Warranty replacement for significant battery degradation is what many of us would expect. It is what I expected. But my recent (about two months...