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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Nobody added "open butthole" as an easter egg. The voice command interpreter is adaptive and keys in on the "open" part and ignores the rest. You can say "open <anything>" and it'll do the same thing.
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    Scheduled Charging Bug

    Yep, here we are a year later, and it's still not fixed.
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Conceptually, I agree, but that's not what they did. They took out seat heater buttons and replaced them with... blank space. Tesla could have avoided this whole mess by just finishing the damn customizable launcher before ever releasing it. One has to think it was rushed to release...
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Wake me when automatic controls actually work. - Auto wipers are a joke; they need manual intervention all the time. - Auto seat heaters are a poor idea and will only work for certain people a certain percentage of the time. - Auto high-beams don't work that great. - There is no auto defrost. -...
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Nah, if that were the case, the font would be bigger, not smaller than before. 😆 You mean the second time. :) It was horizontal for 3 years, then vertical for 1, and now back to horizontal.
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    No, we know that. - You can no longer see defrost or front seat heater status at a glance. - You can no longer toggle rear defrost or front seat heaters via the screen without turning on HVAC first, and then turning it off again if you didn't need it on. (Note this has always been the case for...
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    You must have a very different experience. Mine is so awful at night from the blinker washing out the picture that I turned it off. Turn signal at night = flashing purple box on the screen, extremely distracting. I keep seeing this from a ton of people, though also some that say they don't seem...
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    <bigger sigh> Voice commands don't always work on the first try. Voice commands don't work at all when there's no connectivity. Voice command reliability goes way down when front defrost is on high (too much background noise). I don't want to disrupt a conversation with another passenger in...
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Fine. Find me any other car with heated seats that takes more than one button press. I'll wait.
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Dumb argument. Nobody has a self-driving car. Those with FSD beta have to keep MORE attention on the road these days. Autopilot on the highway -- sure -- but that's also only a portion of driving time. Gotta design the UI to work in any reasonable conditions.
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    That's not really a winning argument. Any type of distraction should be minimized. So reasoning that you can make something simple take longer just because there are other things that take that long isn't helpful. You can't make a shoulder-check quicker. You can make a common control task as...
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Um... sometimes? Either way it doesn't make logical sense to design the UI this way. Also, there are people that run seat heaters when it's not cold.
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    You're kidding, right?? First, that adjusts the temperature by one degree, so now I have to change it back to where it was. That's absurd. Second, if I want to turn on seat heaters or rear defrost without also turning on HVAC, now I have to turn it off afterward. (This now applies to any...
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Most of the time they fix bugs, they don't put anything relevant in the release notes, unfortunately.
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    With that logic, it doesn't fit that they gave individual icons for each audio source, though. Really, they just made the customizable area primarily about entertainment, phone, and non-driving functions (e.g. dashcam viewer).
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Yeah, but now the nav system no longer uses two different zoom levels for highway vs. city driving. I loved how it automatically zoomed out further when I got on the highway/interstate, and then back in when I exited. Awesome for seeing pertinent traffic area. Now it stays at one zoom level, and...
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Literally this is only happening because Tesla provides no other avenue for feedback. There's no "contact us" form on their site, or "report an issue" feature in the car software*. This seems to be the only recourse. (Note: I am not one of them — just reporting back what I've been observing). *...
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    1) Auto seat heaters only work if HVAC is also on and set to auto — often folks want seat heat but not cabin heat (or have HVAC on manual settings, which I basically do all winter long). 2) The auto function has no concept of how much heat you want. This varies both by person and by how the...
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Half of Teslarati articles are just extrapolations/ramblings of a single tweet 🙃 .
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    You're missing the point. Defrost needs to be one tap. Find me ANY OTHER CAR where it takes more than one button press. This one is well understood. I don't want to tap/swipe, then look at the screen a second time, tap the button, and then tap/swipe to close. That's way too much distraction...
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    More like, every update is designed to push us more toward FSD. (And that's not a good thing, IMO.)
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Well said by a Bay Area driver, where defrost and seat heaters aren't a matter of multiple daily use. Come to the midwest where windshields fog up and I can't waste time on more than one tap to ensure my safety.
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    Holiday Update (2021.44.25.2)- A Big Disappointment

    Or more importantly: defrost and seat heater controls. These are by far the worst deletions for those of us in cold climates. Probably the bros at Tesla were like "uh, what are all these icons with wavy lines that we never use? Get 'em outta there!" 🙄
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    Wire size for wall charger

    I don't believe this to be true. 120V and 240V are two "nominal voltages" but not two "nominal voltage systems". Your (and my) split-phase 120/240 is one "voltage system". A 3-phase 120/208Y would be another system. A 3-phase delta 480V would be another system. Heck, if I had a second...
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    Wire size for wall charger

    This rule doesn't apply. Read the first clause: "Where the premises wiring system has branch circuits supplied from more than one nominal voltage system". How many voltage systems ya got in your home? :) Anyway, from my memory of reading the code book, it only requires specific identification...
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    Wire size for wall charger

    You'd have an awfully hard time finding #6 solid wire (other than bare grounding wire)...
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    Wire size for wall charger

    I would suggest you think long and hard about if you really should be buying building wiring from random sellers on Amazon. There's a lot of knock-off products out there these days. Electrical equipment and wiring is one of the last things I would buy on Amazon or eBay. You have no idea what...
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    Supercharger - Menomonee Falls, WI

    Reading that, all they want to see is a revision that takes care of the parking stall length being a foot short. Hard to say if that's possible to do without re-siting it.
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    48 amps through a 50 amp NEMA 14-50?

    @Rocky_H nailed it as usual. Code violation for sure. You have to think about receptacle ratings the same as wire ratings in terms of what circuit load they can serve. A 50A receptacle is only good for 40A charging, and no more.
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    Wire size for wall charger

    I know, right? I'm amused with the idea of giving this explanation to a licensed electrician or inspector, seeing as it's likely to come off as condescending to describe one of the most basic calculations... :D
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    Subpanel in the garage or outside next to the circuit breaker?

    It can be either, but I'd highly recommend you put it in the garage. This gives you way more flexibility for the future.
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    Subpanel in the garage or outside next to the circuit breaker?

    Can you cite the code for this? The 2020 edition makes no changes to Section 625, where 625.43 still says it's only required if over 60A or more than 150V to ground (which would be highly unusual).
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    Wire size for wall charger

    Are you sure? I read the load calculation rules as using nameplate rating for hardwired devices, which would be 48A. The 125% derating on top of that is to account for said 48A being a continuous load.
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    Wire size for wall charger

    Just because NM cable was fished through finished walls doesn't mean that conduit could be. That's typically much more invasive, especially when it comes to bends. At minimum, it's way more labor-intensive. Yes. 3/4" conduit would be typical. No reason for neutral wire -- even if you decide you...
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    Wire size for wall charger

    People often get tripped up on this one. Yes, the NEC says you can "round up" to the next breaker size if unavailable and put a 60A breaker on a 55A circuit, but that doesn't mean you can now draw what a 60A circuit allows. It's still a 55A circuit. If the HPWC had a 55A setting, then putting...
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    Wire size for wall charger

    Yes. It's not up to code. jcanoe has the correct guidance here. For clarity on why 48A charging is not okay: a circuit must be derated by 20% for continuous draws, including car charging. So that 55A wire is not acceptable because 80% of that is 44A. That's the number you can't exceed, per...
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    Charger install 80' away from panel

    I only have slightly more input, based on experience of installing several units... coincidentally I am also an electrical engineer but I work on circuit board design... My first question is why you've chosen rigid conduit instead of EMT. EMT is way easier, but obviously certain situations call...
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    Sub Zero Package -- Is it a must in cold winter climates?

    If you really want a heated steering wheel and rear seats, then sure. It would be an extremely high priority for me, but I also wound up buying a used S many years ago w/o subzero (despite really wanting it), because I found a fantastic deal that "checked all the other boxes". Now I have a 3...
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    Wire size for wall charger

    Indeed, and I'm good with that... but the tone of the original question on this particular thread spoke otherwise. I could be wrong, but in general I see a lot of really uninformed electrical questions and advice on Tesla forums, which is troubling.
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    Wire size for wall charger

    +100. Someone coming to an online forum to ask extremely basic questions about electrical work in a clearly uninformed manner indicates they are unqualified. Clearly roblab is qualified.
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    Wire size for wall charger

    I've always assumed this is just to reduce the complexity of what they have to write as a requirement and to reduce the chance of misunderstanding/misapplication. In the end, it's no more or less "passable" than using #14 for 15A circuits and #12 for 20A circuits, which is how 99.9% of 15 & 20A...
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    Wire size for wall charger

    Mostly true. 6AWG Romex can't do a 60A circuit, but 6AWG THHN wire in conduit can. So there's more to this story than meets the eye.
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    Wire size for wall charger

    Yes, but since you said you are not an expert, you should hire someone who is an expert to do this job.
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    Scheduled Charging Bug

    Yes, there is currently a bug where it charges immediately during the day on Friday. I first noticed it two weeks ago and confirmed it one week ago. I presume because it sees no delayed departure time for the next day, it assumes it can charge immediately. An egregious and obvious bug that...
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    Charging at 250v?

    The car itself supports 277V, but in terms of the EVSE half of the equation, only the Gen 1 & 2 HPWCs do, so its usage is fairly limited.
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    7 Seater Pics and Details

    I can't get over this claim... :D:rolleyes:o_O
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    Charging at 250v?

    It's all good. Typical allowable utility variance is +/-10% of nominal 240V, and electronics are designed for this.
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    2020 steering wheel vs 2021

    Spoken like a person who's never experienced it! I am in Wisconsin, and I had the exact same thoughts until our first Nissan Leaf many years ago had one. Once you have one you never want to be without one. Honestly it was a significant drawback getting the Model 3 a few years ago, and when we...
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    Stealing HPWC cables..why?

    No, that's part of the point of an EVSE. No power available until the connection to a car is negotiated.
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    Upgrade to 2020.48.10, now clock is wrong

    Ah well, worth a shot.

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