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I still haven’t received 10.12. Seems that I’m stuck in 10.11 purgatory. :(😢😭

Well... technically...

Installing as well

Same here

I have a hard time believing that would make a discernable difference (people using the lowering of the safety score for entry to beta as the basis for making a $12k investment). FSD is a long-term play and most of us bought in before there was a safety score or FSD beta. I do agree with the...

You list those Tesla "issues" as if the other systems are completely flawless. However, I'd love to see an apples-to-apples comprehensive FSD comparison study. My guess is that would be an impossible task .... given all of the apples Tesla would bring to the table. :)

Isn't it more a function of collision minimization versus collision avoidance? Five years is an optimistic perspective of complete avoidance, but perhaps a realistic target for substantial minimization.

And even then, there will be a degree of "in the eye of the beholder" with respect to how well it functions compared to other technologies.

Do you really think Elon just did eenie meanie miney mo?

Not necessarily. Regulators could respond by passing regulations, which could increase the adoption of self-driving technology and speed development up.

While both Tesla and the driver would have been sued, it isn't a slam dunk that Tesla would ultimately be held liable in any regard. They have a number of defenses and the company would certainly argue that the driver's over correction of the steering is what caused the accident. (Also, I'm sure...

What does this mean?

Lol - clearly not a generalization...

That may be true, but I don't think that changes the analysis per se. At some point, Tesla (and other car manufacturers) will have to decide what is the appropriate "punishment" (if any) for people who it knows (via cameras in the car) are using the company's technology inappropriately. Whereas...

Sort of but a far more expensive club!

Notice I said "post beta" .....

I think a car (in early FSD beta) acting unpredictably is far more dangerous than a car where FSD is acting as intended. I think the interesting question (for post beta) is how can Tesla deny you the use of a feature that you've paid for even if you've acted (in Tesla's estimation) irresponsibly?

Do you have an Android or Apple phone? I don't have live sentry on my android phone but I do on my ipad.

Isn’t that what item #4 is?

Do you like arguing for argument's sake? You'd probably argue with the color of shirt I have on....

Reminds me of the documentary AlphaGo, where the software improved over time and got increasingly better at learning and decision-making - to the point where it was able to master a game in which there are 10 to the power of 170 possible board configurations...

I wouldn’t call it “broken.” I’m sure it’s working just as Tesla intends for it to work. :)

I’m curious as to whether Tesla will be the first. I would hope so, but they do have a finite window before other manufacturers begin to catch up. What is a novelty now will be commonplace before too long.

I believe FSD will definitely cost more than $10k when it improves (and adds additional features), but I'm not sure about "a lot more." I think $10k is getting close to the max of what people will pay for a $50k car. And I think most people who do pay $10k for FSD now are doing so based on the...

That’s gonna be a (long, long) minute ….. like years, not months away.

I think both you and @EVNow are right - Tesla will release 10.4 to the external beta testers after the QA fleet and employee cars, and the release to the external testers will commence on Friday afternoon. If we are going to play the game "Let's parse Elon's words," then the first part of his...

Not sure how I “proved” your point given that I actually cited the posts you were responding to and those posts were clear on their face as to the meaning. The poster in post #2 wasn’t kicked off or booted off beta. He/she, like many, accepted an update that wasn’t a beta release - it was a...

Just to refresh your recollection, the post that started this all was the 2nd post in this thread where @tskguy said ..... In the next post (#3) in this thread), @Ramphex said It was in response to this 3rd post that you said (in post #28) So the issue of discussion pertained to whether...

Except that wasn't the context of the conversation and there weren't really two separate issues. There was never any evidence to support your contention that 10.3's issue resulted in there being a segment of drivers who lost beta because of low safety scores. At least on this forum (or anywhere...

Looks like you owe me that plaid. :)

I just got it but will wait to install it until I hear the feedback.

I didn’t get booted. I’m still on 10.3. :) In addition to everything else I said (as to why I disagree with your educated guess), remember that many of the private beta testers (primarily social media influencers who have been testing the beta software for over a year) got booted. Do you think...

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever, from a common sense or practical perspective. So people with weeks of great scores (and hundreds/thousands of miles) who only got downgraded due to a beta software issue that has been acknowledged by Elon will have to fight to get their scores back up to...

Understood and I’m definitely not trying to be “that guy,” but there is a lot of relevant and important information in the other thread pertaining to people who are also still on 10.3. If this were a forum about cats, then I wouldn’t care how many similar threads there are, but there are safety...

FYI….There is already a 7-page thread discussion this very issue with people sharing their experiences. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/got-2021-36-5-2-but-now-2021-36-5-1-is-downloading.244451/

Same here

Seems a bit odd to me that, given how picky you are, you would even have FSD, let alone participate in beta testing. Your wife must feel like **** that you are willing to give beta FSD software a whirl, but won't ride along with her if she is driving. :) Although I suppose, it may just be a...

That's EXACTLY how I felt after my first time with 10.2, but once you get used to FSD's strengths and weaknesses, the experience gets better. Not perfect (by any means), but I do use it and I'm certainly glad that I have it.

Looks like 10.3 will come out this evening.

What causes regression in something like FSD software, and why is it they can fix the regression in a day? Intuitively, at least from someone not in the tech field, I would think that if they can fix/improve regression in a day, then that means they are making minor tweaks of some sort to the...

Ah. Yes, it is.

10.3 has released. Has anyone received it yet?? Edit: NVM. I fell for a troll on twitter.

If you have a 107, I wouldn't worry about the drive home since you have a nice sized buffer. :D

Press the icon that looks like a video camera at the top of the screen.

Hopefully, the first and last resort is Tesla fixing its FSD software! :)

So if Tesla has had A, B, C, and D teams working separately over the past 2 years on different aspects of the FSD experience, you would recommend pulling B, C and D off of their dedicated projects to focus solely on what A is doing? More to the point, unless you know what resources Tesla has...

Agreed but I believe Elon said that summons, etc. will greatly improve with single stack. To the extent that's true, then I view it as more than simply a distraction. Clearly, getting rid of the jerkiness and FCWs (although I haven't had a FCW in several months) is a priority. But I view that...

Lol. Seriously Elon? Why even bother responding if you weren't going to answer the two questions that most of us FSD beta diehards have?!

Personally, I don't think true level 5 FSD will arrive until after most of us are no longer driving our current Tesla. IF we our lucky, we may get to see Level 3. As for your general question about whether Tesla will, at some point, move to solely a subscription-based FSD model, its hard to say...

I'm shocked but, then again, I'm really not....