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    Model 3 - LR AWD Waiting Room

    Based on what I have seen on this forum the last 18 months, it seems to depend on your delivery center. I personally have taken delivery of two model 3s and a model Y and all of them I have thoroughly inspected inside and out. Nobody at tesla prevented me from doing so. I have also written...
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    Anyone else get FSD Beta on the last update?

    I also got into the beta with the holiday update. Can’t say I am impressed with it. My local area is super simple - almost all roads are divided up into squares of some size resulting in almost every turn being a 90 degree, predictable turn. So far I have only seen the car successfully turn...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    Just to continue reporting on going from radar to vision via FSD beta (all of this is TACC only, not autosteer or FSD beta engaged): at this point I haven't had any real trouble with phantom braking. Almost all of my testing so far has been at night / day + heavy rain. At night I am on two lane...
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    New update 2021.44.25 adds customizable app launcher like Model S refresh plus other major upgrades to system.

    FWIW, the more I drive on the new firmware the more I like it. For sure I am in a very small minority of “switchers” who didn’t like it at all initially but have since changed their mind.. still for the most part I am really digging most of the changes and I don’t think I would go back now even...
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    2021 Holiday Firmware Release - Predictions and Impressions (after release)

    I routinely end up on roads with questionable surfaces. Holes, rocks, debris, etc. there is definite potential for a flat tire and I would rather know before the tire is too flat to drive so I can park the car in a preferred location to deal with the situation. As such in those areas I usually...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    I ran prob 300 miles across TACC / FSD beta this weekend with some unexpected complications. It seems as though some FSD beta items spill over into TACC even though one would expect they would not. ie, TACC stopping for lights and stop signs even though that item is switched off in preferences...
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    2021 Holiday Firmware Release - Predictions and Impressions (after release)

    Earlier when I was driving I instinctively thought I’d check to see how many miles I’d driven since leaving the house and what my consumption is, so I move to swipe out the trip card before remembering it is gone. ☹️ /foghorn Also - in the pouring rain I thought I’d prove how easy it was to...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    I got access to the FSD beta a few hours ago. I will test the adaptive cruise but it seems the real issues show up with sun and shadows. Given the persistent rain and fog we’ve been getting lately it might take a week or two for the sun to return to do any real tests. However - this will be a...
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    New update 2021.44.25 adds customizable app launcher like Model S refresh plus other major upgrades to system.

    Just to correct myself a few more times: I still think it'd be nice to have additional items to add to teh bar that would not only toggle things like wipers and defrosters but now after looking at it more, those items aren't that difficult to get to. Tap the car menu for immediate access to...
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    2021 Holiday Firmware Release - Predictions and Impressions (after release)

    Anyone know how to take a dashcam clip now? Used to be a button along the top of the nav but with that gone I dunno how to take a clip..
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    New update 2021.44.25 adds customizable app launcher like Model S refresh plus other major upgrades to system.

    This is incorrect now that I look at it again this morning. The playlist is still there, it’s just in a “tab” I didn’t see last night.
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    New update 2021.44.25 adds customizable app launcher like Model S refresh plus other major upgrades to system.

    /nod I’ve always shrugged off the 3d imaging of the car and environment on the left side. But I don’t see any purpose for it while driving outside of FSD and it is a large waste of space at that point. My 8 year old Ford allows for “display preferences” so you can put the data on the screen...
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    New update 2021.44.25 adds customizable app launcher like Model S refresh plus other major upgrades to system.

    I did try it though late last night there wasn’t much traffic. It works… that feature at least is a welcome change.
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    New update 2021.44.25 adds customizable app launcher like Model S refresh plus other major upgrades to system.

    My car is updated. I'm going to have to give this update a thumbs down. That's given: 1. I really liked last year's UX update. 2. I was really looking forward to this update. 3. I felt the "firmware holdouts" from last year were being extremely picky. My thoughts after about an hour: 1. I...
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    Sold my MYSR for $15k profit and getting MYLR for same price

    I was thinking about doing the same thing with my Y SR but the problems with vision only right now and tesla delivering cars with a loud “humming” pump put me off. It’s a crazy time, definitely normally a no brainer given the bizarro car market but all but one of the demo vehicles at my local...
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    2022 Model 3 Long Range compared to 2019 Model 3 SR+

    Aye, I have already considered this. Unfortunately we didn't discover this issue was so widespread until after we put in our $250 "order fee". I'd be just fine canceling the order and waiting until all the new factories come online and maybe the showrooms carry inventory cars. At that point...
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    2022 Model 3 Long Range compared to 2019 Model 3 SR+

    My wife and I were also going to upgrade from an SR+ to an LR given the current market. However, when we went to test drive we ended up figuring out that 4 of thr 5 demo cars we had access to made a distinct humming sound coming from the passenger side forward of the dash. When you get in the...
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    Unpopular Opinion: Aero Wheels Look Nice!

    I honestly sometimes wonder if just the fact that they are “hub caps” tilts opinion more than the actual design or look.
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    Unpopular Opinion: Aero Wheels Look Nice!

    I love the Aeros. I always loved the Aeros on the Y, and was mostly on board with the 3’s Aeros before the refresh. But after the refresh, i think the 3 Aeros are awesome. I also dislike the wheels underneath the covers on both cars, so it all works out.
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    Lots of refinement between 2020 and 2022 Model Y

    My current teslas make a noise when the system is running, only it is a light whirring sound. My assumption is this is the same “pump” that can be loud on some new cars now. only instead of the far more tolerable “whirring” sound, the new sound is like an electrical transformer. It is a deep hum...
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    Lots of refinement between 2020 and 2022 Model Y

    I have two teslas right now that do not make this noise. A 2020 3 and a 2021 Y. My speculation is parts availability issues caused tesla to use another manufacturer and whoever is making the pumps now they end up being loud. But who knows. All I know is that sound should not be normal. If it is...
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    Lots of refinement between 2020 and 2022 Model Y

    That is great to hear.. my 2021 Y SR has a lot of rattles. Hopefully this build quality improvement will be permanent for future years.
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    Lots of refinement between 2020 and 2022 Model Y

    Any “humming sound” coming from the front passenger side of the dash (as referenced in a decent sized thread in this forum) ? Getting in the car with HVAC off and just sitting in it will demonstrate the sound. That is the main thing holding me back on my order… 4/5 of the demo vehicles at our...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    Yeah! We finally got waypoints added to the nav!!!! Though I will now complain that I cannot remove waypoints or reorder them!!! :p
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    Apple users. My entire house has been Apple for almost 15 years. Early on I followed a lot of apple news and read apple forums. Apple also has issues and always has. But any suggestion of how apple could do better or needs to fix something was similarly immediately attacked by cultists. The big...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    I posted a video of it clearly happening repeatedly. Your continued denial is surreal. Ideally one would ease one’s convictions in the face of clear evidence to the contrary rather than continue to dig a larger hole of resistance. You know .. there is a middle ground where one can admit...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    I have two radar Teslas and they do not phantom brake. They did early on like two years ago but it has gotten almost bulletproof at this point.
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    Cultists aside, I have a line on two VO Teslas I hope to drive soon. I will investigate how deep the "FUD" is on my own and circle back here..
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    The video I posted is exactly the type of drive I would use cruise control on *any other car from the last 30 years*. It is exactly the type of road I use "cruise control" on *my radar equipped Tesla* *every day* *without issue*. You are suggesting that the design of the most advanced car there...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    This is an older video but has several instances of dropping 25+ mph.
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    Threads like this are about spreading the word so that people *know* this is something to look out for and go test drive. This is also a place where reports can continue to come in for a pulse on how current the problem might be. These things can’t happen however when you seem to marginalize...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    It is done. I got into the beta and updated my firmware. I immediately took teh car out for a drive, and five minutes later my car saw a shadow and phantom braked off the road into a ditch. The car immediately caught fire (because that's what EVs do). But I was trapped in the car because of all...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    I have a radar car that works. I have no severe phantom braking issues (or even mild ones really). I signed up for the FSD beta the day before yesterday. I have a 99 driving score. If I get into the beta, go “vision only” and I report major problems with phantom braking will this still be...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    A whole lot of assumptions there. You are assuming: 1. Tesla doesn’t make mistakes (in making a change they know they can handle) 2. Tesla will make this right no matter what (ie, if they can’t get vision to work they will retrofit radar for thousands and thousands of vision only cars) 3. Tesla...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    This right here proves my earlier point about confusing / conflicting information about this issue. Here is someone who allegedly has been reading this thread but still cannot accept that the root of this problem lies with vision only Teslas. There is a decent sized Reddit thread that just...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    Keep in mind that the reports of bad TACC / AP are directly related to no radar / vision only cars. Which allegedly started shipping in June 2021. Unfortunately this very specific distinction seems to cloud the threads about this issue as radar owners will report no problems (as it is likely...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    This is true. But I will add this: there are only two or three threads on this forum about a humming sound coming from the front of new cars that is annoying. With so few threads it could certainly be dismissed as not actually a problem. But it is a problem. I have seen it myself and I have...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    It concerns me as well for the car my wife and I have in order - but not for safety reasons. It’s for frustration reasons. You can certainly drive the car without using autopilot or TACC and it will work great. The car itself is amazing. But with this issue you potentially would have to live...
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    Model 3 - LR AWD Waiting Room

    The waiting sucks, for sure. It’s also very disappointing that just as Tesla is finally capable of going full Death Star on car production we end up with a world wide supply chain problem… It will be worth the wait though. The 3/Y are an absolute blast to drive and the best driving experience I...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    I’ve had AP kick me out for aggressively passing on the freeway while it was engaged. I’m not sure if it was because of how far I exceeded the set speed or because of the acceleration…. So I don’t know where that would fall vs what you are setting up there. That was a drag because after that it...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    Ah yes. The “we are all going to die!!!” beeps. A must have for every relaxing drive… 😂😂
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    /nod. I just put the 3 LR I have on order on hold. My car works right now. I am going to subscribe to FSD and get into the FSD beta so my car will be “vision only”. Then I will document how crap or uncrap it is. Then I will copy it onto VHS and duct tape it to Elons car. That should take care...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    The claims of full on braking and/or being dangerous are not hyperbole. There are YouTube videos posted recently showing abrupt deceleration of 25 or more miles per hour. That’s absolutely dangerous when other cars around you do not expect this at all because there is actually no event to react...
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    How many actually use Autopilot?

    I live in SoCal. I use TACC and AP all the time, on any road. Unless I am ripping around in my wife’s model 3. Then it’s all manual and all pedal to the floor.
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    /nod I have around a 30 minute commute. I thought this morning as I drove to work what bliss it is to drive my Tesla. And a large part of that is TACC / autopilot. Merge onto freeway, flick right stalk, tesla maintains speed and distance. Easy and reliable. Same thing when I exit the freeway...
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    Certainly you can nitpick this to death. But the reality is: I have two radar teslas right now that work fine on any road. I use it every day, across many miles, with no issues. My experience is fine. I have no problems. But I’m not going to dismiss the experiences of others because of my...
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    Model 3 - LR AWD Waiting Room

    Agreed. I have run two teslas for almost two years now off of only 6-20 outlets.
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    Phantom braking so bad I want to return my car

    That does not matter IMO. Because there is no base level cruise control option. I have used cruise control everyday of my driving life for at least the last 25 years - on ANY road. Having zero usable cruise control because according to the manual TACC should only be used on certain roads is...
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    Phantom braking and active safety features

    I have radar equipped cars, I got the "over the hill" slowdown yesterday morning coming back from a drive. that one doesn't bother me so much. I am regularly around semis, however, and never have any issues at all. Gotta be the vision only is glitchy

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