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I found this. I'm done discussing AVs again, lol. Tesla is now the clear winner in this space. I'll come back in a few months once Tesla releases V11. But there's also a whole vocabulary to be crafted to explain the unfamiliar space-time of teleoperation. Today Waymo's "fleet response" team...

Our assumption is that there was no human involved in making the decision whether or not to pass the double parked cars. How do we know for sure? After all, the Cruise car can ping the remote driver well in advance, making it seamless for the passenger. It's not a simple decision in many cases...

Lol? And I'm spreading lies?

Yup, Waymo's AI is actually a human who isn't in the car, lol!

Blah blah blah, another year, same old story about Waymo Gen XYZ: I watch Waymo ride videos from time to time, and they're still driving through the most boring and easy to drive areas (with or without safety drivers), avoiding anything approaching the easiest fsd beta drives. 15 years of...

To those who are paying attention, Tesla has already surpassed Waymo and Cruise in computer-controlled autonomous driving. Which is the whole point of autonomous driving progress, right? The only "benefit" Waymo and Cruise have is lots of investment in remote *human* monitoring capabilities...

I find it funny that people are still discussing the Cruise and Waymo approaches after seeing Tesla's progress to 10.12 The Cruise and Waymo business models are a clear dead end. Big, diverse, and real data are a prerequisite.

Oh great, more useless levels discussion

Until recently, many here thought that Mobileye was ahead of Tesla. Lol.

10.11 looks like a huge improvement in a lot of locales, but obviously there are still risky and FUDable maneuvers.

Very interesting "interaction" with a Waymo here. Complex road geometry, it's amazing FSD beta figured out the right way with some encouragement: Seems like 10.11 will get uncomfortably close to cars: And also here in Whole Mars video:

Average. It was trying to change into lanes with fast approaching cars 3 times over a 6mi round trip drive lol. It was as though it was purposely pissing people off.

10.10.2 seems to be a slight improvement over 10.10 but it's still doing stupid things that 10.8.1 didn't often do: Chg lanes when there's a fast approach car behind Randomly try to move out of lane without signalling when there's a fast approaching car behind I don't think 10.10.2 would be...

I'm installing 10.10.2 now

When I initially got vision only in Oct 2021, I had slightly more phantom braking, although it was less harsh braking than prior. However, since 10.6 (~end of Dec 2021), I've had LESS phantom braking than when I was on radar + vision.

Even the new map update is bad for me. My navigation directions have been more confusing and spastic lately. I hope 10.10.2 or whatever is coming soon will fix some of my issues lol.

10.10 is worse than 10.8.1 in almost every way for me. Even highway AP is worse with stop and go traffic, car accelerates towards the lead car too aggressively in a stop and go 5mph situation. 10.8.1 was so much smoother, instilled confidence, more predictable in the Bay Area CA.

These reddit rumors have been very unreliable in the past, especially from 110101 guy and also "satingrey" or something like that. It's unsurprising that Tesla is working on reverse summon, as its part of the goal for single stack.

10.10 isnt good. Even highway NoA is messing up with speeds on some exits. 10.8.1 is the best version for me so far. I think people should stay on 10.8.1 until V11 comes out lol.

It's not that difficult for Tesla to program, "while FSD beta is engaged, any accelerator input moves car forward". After all, EVs have no transmission or gears, so forward and backward is simply reversing the magnetic polarity. This is an obvious "issue". It would be sad if Tesla never...

All AV "progress" summed up:

Anti-climactic. I was expecting him to S.E.C.

Ya, difficult to tell for sure because the visualization is made to be user friendly and you're not constantly looking at it. For example, yesterday I was in a right turn lane and all of a sudden fsd beta decided it needed to get out without signalling or anything. It seemed like it was trying...

I think it's still a perception issue. As Tesla progresses in FSD, they are slowly enabling control for more perceptual objects, and as they do this, there will be more false positives, so the car will erroneously control for more phantom or incorrect predictions. That's why we still have odd...

10.10 isn't better than 10.8.1 for me. 10.10's visualization is improved in a lot of ways: smoother / more fps, more accurate vehicle placement, farther draw distance, etc. But the actual driving of 10.10 isn't as good as 10.8.1. 10.10 does a lot more weird lane changes for me vs 10.8.1, and it...

When I look at that intersection, I see 3 lanes for other cars, not a "dedicated" lane for people turning right. If it were dedicated, wouldn't it have a solid line or not be accessible for oncoming traffic? Perhaps I'm wrong. See pic below for dedicated right turn lane example: Edit: I...

Do you guys experience this with FSD beta? It often does an unprotected right despite a car turning into your lane. Is this legal (even if it is, it's unsafe IMO) or is FSD beta not taking these cars into consideration? I personally would have taken over by braking:

Ya, it's difficult to see (in a video) how annoying and unnatural it is until you use 10.10. If you watch whole mars 10.10 videos, you'll start to see how slow it is at Stop signs.

This needs to be confirmed with more drives, but I think the rolling stop nerf not only applies to Stop signs but ALL stop lines. For example, on unprotected rights, fsd beta used to slightly roll the line and then peek, but with 10.10, it seems to go to 0-1mph at every stop line before...

Look at this abomination:

Those of you with 10.9 probably shouldn't update to 10.10 The rolling stop nerf makes the car much more UNnatural in most Stop sign situations, especially when stopping to proceed onto a main road. No one stops at the line in this situation, yet this is what 10.10 does. Humans roll the line...

Yes, it seems to be the "recall" for the dangerous rolling stops that can potentially kill millions per day.

10.10 incoming, check your phones!

I stopped discussing AV progress because it's crystal clear to me Tesla is and will be ahead of everyone by a couple years. Previously, I wasn't sure, so I was trying to find blindspots in my judgment by debating with people here. In that video you're responding to, it's not even the V11...

Mine skips / drops some frames when I quickly get in the car and back up right away. Otherwise, it's reliable again after 5 seconds... no biggie

Tesla using HD maps confirmed!

It doesn't seem like Elon has worked out any specifics wrt robotaxis. He just makes it up as they go. As of late, he's just been more enthusiastic about it because they are seeing some light at the end of the FSD tunnel. FSD is an engineering problem, which Tesla is good at. After FSD is...

We all know how this is gonna end

Yup, they can still press a button that tells the car to proceed or not when it's unsure. Currently, Waymos are always under direct remote supervision, afaik. Cruise "declined to say if they have remote control abilities when they were asked, so it's unknown at the moment." Cruise definitely...

Elon has mentioned everything wrt FSD. You name it. UFOs landing. Fleet hack driving to Rhode Island. Potholes. James Bond.

It's more likely he just lightly pressed on the bottom of the pedal. I just pointed that video out to show how blindly we can trust bullsugar from Waymo / Cruise / Mobileye. We have no idea what sorts of buttons they're pushing behind the scenes.

Check out FSD 10.9 respond to a hand signal. Game over for the competition. Tesla should hire the person narrating those 10 second Waymo highlights:

It's probably because they deployed a new NN to predict intersections? And why they haven't widely released 10.9? 10.9 notes: Improved intersection extents and right of way assignment by updating modeling of intersection areas from dense rasters (“bag of points”) to sparse instances. Increased...

5-12k for an actual "FSD" software isn't expensive, just IMO You can't buy any FSD consumer software right now, regardless of price. And many people who are complain about Elon's "promises" bought FSD at ~$3k........... when TACC alone was selling for $3k from other OEMs. Edit: other OEMs...

Avoiding potholes and whatnot is probably last on Tesla's list of things to maneuver around, lol

I like how Diess is subtly calling out Mobileye's bullsugar. Diess knows Tesla's approach is way ahead and superior, but Volkswagen has no choice:

BMW never officially released their traffic light cruise feature either. Over a year late: https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/06/26/bmws-urban-traffic-light-recognition-autonomously-stops-at-traffic-lights/

I usually get updates first, but I haven't gotten 10.9 yet. Not that I care that much. 10.8.1 is good enough for the time being.

Did it correct itself, or did you take over?

Tesla has finally achieved the FSD promo video from 2019! Mission accomplished! Similar kind of drive: