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    EAP Return to US

    I have FSD Beta on both cars. I paid for AP/FSD for $2000/$3000 on my 12/2016 S in 2019 and EAP/FSD for $5000/$2000 for my 1/2018 Model 3 in 2018/2019. FSD was purchased for both cars during the Spring 2019 brief “sale” that Elon later said was a mistake that wouldn’t be repeated. Why was the S...
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    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    As one of the “chosen” who got it last December, I can report no strikes in the nearly six months.. I did get one on my 3 a couple weeks ago returning home from a flight when exhausted so probably was in the self-hypnosis mode. Luckily my 3 allows 5 strikes whereas the S only allows three for...
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    FSD Beta 10.12

    My wife also thinks I’m nuts to have it on our two cars. When I bought it during the “sale” in 2019 it seemed like a good move ($5k for AP/FSD and $7k for EAP/FSD) and I think time has proven me right, at least in terms of cost.
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    NTHSA Investigating Tesla over growing Phantom Braking complaints

    I just had a jolting PB yesterday a few blocks from our home on our community’s main loop drive that we take several times every day. It has never happened there before and this time occurred on the brand new FSD Beta 10.12.2. Both of our cars have the Beta and I do think I have far fewer PB’s...
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    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    Wow, time flies when you are — or in this case aren’t — having fun. I see this thread is almost 9 months old. I got new cameras in November and FSD Beta invite in late December. It is ridiculous that some of my fellow late 2016 purchasers are still waiting for cameras much less FSD Beta. I am a...
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    False FSD Strikes?

    Totally agree with cameras approach as constantly lightly pushing/tugging on the wheel is unnatural. I imagine Tesla may go in the camera direction but my “old” S of course doesn’t have an interior camera. So my 3 someday may only require eyes on the road while my S requires tugging on the...
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    What happens after 3 strikes?

    My 2016 pre-refresh S got the FSD Beta update today but still shows 3 allowed strikes. My 3 also got the update today and still shows 5 allowed strikes. Sheesh, go figure. Luckily my lone strike was on my 3 and it is still there.😅 (Before someone asks: My strike happened at about 6am driving...
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    10.12.2 Eye Tracking Shut Me Down

    Hell may freeze over before Tesla responds to an email. This is the Tesla of the richest guy in the world not the Tesla of pre-2018 that was actually scrambling to keep customers happy.😀
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    FSD Beta 10.12

    Did you see the thread a few days ago started by a guy who was selectively downloading Beta updates and is now seemingly kicked out of the Beta? That would be a good reason to rethink your suggestion, maybe? It did sound like he had done this more than once or twice though so perhaps it’s not...
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    FSD Beta 10.12

    Sadly, 10.12, which coincidentally will also be the name of Musk’s next child, was eaten by a bitter former employee of Tesla to protest his firing.
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    FSD Beta 10.12

    Not sure how the topic became mapping but since 10.12 seems to be frozen in time, I’ll comment on mapping, too. I believe mapping will never fully satisfy me until we can drag/adjust the route on the screen. Adding waypoints helps a little but is no substitute for dragging the map route to...
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    Supercharger - E Mayo Blvd- Phoenix, AZ

    Scottsdale… again is right. But perhaps one or more of the low power Scottsdale “commuter”sites will disappear. Placing sites along freeways will make them much more useful for travelers than existing Scottsdale sites.
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    Elon & Twitter

    Those of us with FSD Beta — and those trying for six months to get Beta — are used to this stuff. He will say one thing today, another tomorrow and then get distracted by other priorities. As for the projected purchase timeline of later this year, those unfamiliar with Musk Time are about to get...
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    Elon & Twitter

    I think Twitter is in decline anyway. Allowing a guy nearly 80 years old back on Twitter to raise hell can only further encourage young folks who drive social media to go elsewhere. Musk is a great engineer but he’s a twelve year old when it comes to social media. It will be fun watching him...
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    FSD Beta 10.12

    This thread provides further proof of how screwed up Twitter is under current ownership/management. Under the new Twitter ownership/management, the plain meaning of all Tweets will be intuitively obvious.
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    Don’t Wait to be Notified for FSD Camera Upgrade!

    Probably a big mistake posting this advice. Just watch this thread for the next couple weeks. Same thing happened a few months ago and set off a sh1tstorm here. A very small number of people were successful but many more were just frustrated.
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    Tesla runs into a PLANE while summoned

    Don’t assume blame. Maybe the plane summoned the butt sniffing Tesla.
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    Supercharger - Tempe, AZ

    Your comment about the dubious future of Biltmore Mall Supercharger could probably be applied to many of the mall-located Superchargers everywhere. Large malls in general seem to be living on borrowed time. Anchor stores like Penney’s, Wards, etc are either closing many sites at the big malls or...
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    Senators declare FSD deceptive/misleading.

    Funny that these Senators are criticizing Tesla for repeated misrepresentations about FSD when many of the first FSD customers from 2016-17 can’t get any communication from Tesla, misleading or otherwise. Just check out the nearly 165 page current thread from those FSD customers who continue to...
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    Standard Morning Run on 2022.4.5.21, Improved

    No Interventions Musk makes up more crap than the first guy he will allow back on Twitter as soon as he gets ownership.🤣
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    Elon & Twitter

    Makes no sense. I love my two Teslas and I certainly didn’t buy either one because I think Elon Musk is a swell guy personally nor a guy with moderate to liberal, political beliefs. I don’t like Trump either but seriously doubt he converts many people to his views by tweeting. It’s just another...
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    Supercharger - Tempe, AZ

    As several of you have noted there are several great sites near freeways in the East Valley that also have excellent facilities. I will probably use the new site for a quick charge occasionally but doubt I will venture outside my car except to plug in/out. Glad we have two options though … finally!
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    Supercharger - Tempe, AZ

    The central I10/Superstition Freeway intersection location seems logical but the last time I looked that mall was fading fast and it is in a very sketchy section of Baseline Road. After writing my initial comments here, I was curious if the mall had been revamped since my last visit a couple...
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    Supercharger - Tempe, AZ

    If it was 8 years ago when 6 stalls at Casa Grande came online, maybe, but that would be really odd these days.
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    Correct camera models for FSD camera upgrade?

    The thread cited has the answer but that thread is the length of War and Peace to read/search. I also have a late 2016 S and it took two tries to get the front triple camera correct. Attached are copies of my two invoices and they seem to be correct installs as I have been on FSD Beta since late...
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    FSD Beta 10.11

    Yes, you aren’t looking at the massive number downloading
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    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    As a former member of this club based on my ”classic” 12/2016 S, I can hardly believe how many of this club’s original posters are still here. FYI my “old” S and 2018 3 last received a FSD Beta update in mid-February. According to Teslafi roughly 40% of the Beta group is also on my two-month old...
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    The unofficial "when do I get my FSD beta update" FAQ

    That’s great news! One thing about Elon: His timelines are always rock solid.
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    "There's going to be a dedicated robotaxi, it's going to look quite futuristic"

    Oh good. I just told my two sure thing moneymakers that you have assured me they will be making me rich some day or other. My retirement will be glorious after all. Now please put down your “thumbs down” before you hurt yourself with it.
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    "There's going to be a dedicated robotaxi, it's going to look quite futuristic"

    Gee whiz and remember when we were told the purchase of FSD was a steal due to the car’s future value as a robotaxi? I feel sorry for my two Teslas as they now know they are just regular old depreciating cars. And I’ll have to find another way to earn $60,000 a year. Darn.🥲
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    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    I wouldn’t worry, as long as you only expect performance on your car equal to newer cars. I was one of the “legacy” owners who got it in the 12/30 batch and it seems to work about the same on my 12/16 S as my 1/18 S, which at times isn’t saying much😀 My wife won’t use basic autopilot much less...
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    FSD Beta 10.11.1 (2022.4.5.20) - Limited or Mass Release?

    Splat! The sound of another Beta crashing and burning, which is preferable to getting a bad Beta release and literally crashing my car.😀
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    Tesla says there are 60,000 FSD Beta testers now

    I seriously doubt Elon believes disengagements are rare. He is Tesla’s chief PR guy among his many hats so some lying is expected. My personal experience with two cars on FSD Beta is close to the 1 in 10 miles rate you mentioned. And this experience is mostly on the easy, modern, wide streets of...
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    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    Nope. He and I got it at about the same day. If you go back 50 pages or so you will find others. This thread is becoming a book so it is hard to search
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    FSD Beta 10.11

    Nothing new. Musk’s comments are frequently so far removed from reality that one has to wonder if he just makes up crap for the hell of it. Meanwhile I am busy developing a marketing plan for my two future robotaxis. Obviously I don’t have much time to complete preparations, right?
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    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    I don’t think he is too optimistic in his robotaxi potential estimates. I think the robotaxi projections are simply blatant bullpoop. What I haven’t figured out is his motive. I can’t imagine many people buy a Tesla with the intent of running a robotaxi business any year soon anyway. So if the...
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    FSD Transfer - NO - but Tesla says it's really OK

    Welcome to the board! Might want to do a search on that topic.
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    FSD Beta stops short of my destination

    When my two Teslas become robotaxis later this year, I wonder if dumping my customers in the middle of the street could expose me to liability for subsequent death and mayhem. Oh well, Tesla Auto Insurance will surely protect me from financial ruin.
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    Frustrated with Part delays

    I was able to get my car out of the body shop last week missing one needed part. The part had two confirmed ship dates. Now, Tesla supposedly redesigned the part and god knows when it will be shipped. I was just lucky that the car’s driveability wasn’t an issue and that the body shop was willing...
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    Friend ready to give up on FSD Beta Safety Score

    “Tesla doesn't seem to be adding new FSD beta drivers (our perception, no empirical evidence)” Teslafi.com does have empirical evidence. Their large user base shows what versions of software are in their cars as well as past versions that were installed. And as you surmised it has been quite a...
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    Confused by different flavors of autopilot

    OP, you didn’t ask about cost but let me offer a bit of info. When I bought my 2018 3, I didn‘t buy EAP flavor of autopilot and at that time you didn’t get anything but dumb cruise control for “free.” (Your newer 3 had AP, a stripped down version of EAP included for “free.”) A few months later...
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    Does FSD Beta use the steering wheel or the interior camera to know if youre paying attention?

    Picking up cellphone doesn't set off the red screaming wheel in my 2018 3 but it does give the usual nag.
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    Does FSD Beta use the steering wheel or the interior camera to know if youre paying attention?

    Obviously those of us with older S and X don’t have interior cameras. I assume someday my 3 will only use the interior camera for monitoring and I won’t need to be concerned about constant light pressure on the steering wheel. But as for my “ancient S,” I imagine I won’t be so lucky.
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    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    I haven’t been here much lately since my ”lucky S” got FSD Beta, but that car hasn’t been updated for the last two iterations and I think that update was a month ago. (My Model 3 is one iteration newer.) It is anyone’s guess why about half of current FSD Beta participants are at least one...
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    Watch Super Bowl in car?

    Follow the directions to validate on cellphone.
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    FSD 2021.44.30.15 Update Issues

    I have been getting the red wheel of doom on 30.10, but of course that release also never achieved a full rollout. But don’t worry, your car will be a robotaxi this year, if you like.
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    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    Perhaps the same person who previously went from 2021.36.5.2 (beta) to 2021.36.5.1 — and is now getting back in.
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    Tesla says there are 60,000 FSD Beta testers now

    I hope you are right as I have it on two cars and many people have waited five years for the product. I wish I could say city streets is close to being usable without making big mistakes. But it makes big mistakes and unpredictable big mistakes. For example, a couple days ago it “tried” to do an...
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    FSD 10.9 screen freezes and the software crashes

    I have 10.9 on one car but the other hasn’t received it yet. And now in the fifth day of rollout it looks like the rollout has virtually stopped with less than half of the testers on 10.9. Perhaps Tesla has concluded that this is a buggy release. BTW, on the car with 10.9 I cannot see any...

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