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Tesla touchscreen/fogging complications at Pikes Peak International Hill Climb (Part 2) Randy Pobst in the 2021 Tesla S Plaid had some pretty bad windshield fogging, which hugely impacted his run. He would have probably won his group, and likely been top 10 overall if it wasn't for this...

Tesla touchscreen complications at Pikes Peak International Hill Climb Doesn't say which software version.

Chillin’ with Chet Yikes, yes looks wrecked

In Annex 5 Section 1, It does say that: Until such time that specific test provisions have been agreed, the Technical Service shall ensure that the ALKS is subject to at least the tests outlined in Annex 5. ... The test specifications in this document are meant to be a minimum set of tests...

Or a strap-on button tapping device. /s

Somehow other companies manage to release products and update them periodically without using the Beta tag. Not all Tesla features are Beta. So why do they call some of their features Beta? It's a way of implying limited liability and a fall-back in case of any issues. Look at other companies...

I'd almost like to see a regulation (yes another regulation) that time-limits how long something can be called Beta in a production model. Do they not have the courage to stand behind their products? I'm not talking about FSD Beta which is clearly a Beta, but the other Beta features.

"I agree maybe I unintentionally pressed the pedal but how would it happen twice?" Brake pedal or accelerator pedal?

I have no doubt you know what you are talking about WRT Tesla braking systems. You say holding your hand on the brake pedal with a few pounds of force can prevent the car from moving. If you say so, I haven't tried it. Are you claiming that a few pounds of force on the brake pedal will...

Nothing is ever absolute. The pedal force matters, and some people cannot push hard enough. Minimum pedal forces have been mandated but there are still some people who can't achieve them. I don't know what the pedal force is to prevent a Model S from moving, but there is a number. Here's an...

Technically not running the red, but quite late. 2022.4.5.20 FSD Beta version 10.11.1 Toronto: Leslie and York Mills Rd to DVP and Richmond Ave. Looks like a Model 3 with aftermarket yoke

Elon and Tesla love those aspirational statements. "As the technology matures, all Tesla vehicles will have..." Yes I bet he does believe what he says, those statements certainly could be proven true one day. However what they seem to lack is the conviction to actually do the work necessary to...

I sympathize with how AI Addict lost his job with Tesla, but he does not drive very responsibly. His new video has a few rough sections. 2:32 he allows FSD Beta to drive through a red light and it then stops on a light-rail crossing. Use the brake and stop, if FSD wants to run a red. 9:01...

Good point. Implementation is the challenge. Ask someone who just crashed and you might hear "I thought it was safe because I didn't see headlights", "There's hardly ever any cross-traffic here", "I figured the truck would let me merge because we're all nice around here". Lots of decisions...

Often it seems Elon is a visionary who is thinking 5 to 20 years ahead. Just not really in the present. The utopian plans are science fiction like something from Arthur C Clarke. Elon seems to mentally just fill in the gap from Now to Future as a given, where most of the rest of us are stuck...

Interpolating the road lines to fill in sporadic missing data seems reasonable. Extrapolating the road lines if it then makes decisions off this information is risky. Imagination is not the quality I want in a self-driving car. No evidence has been given on whether it bases driving decisions...

Don't you think you should do something other than asking random people on the forum (or perhaps you are, IDK)? Your car came to a full stop from driving speed and reversed on a street. Seemingly for no valid reason. Even if it thought the truck was going to enter your lane, is stopping and...

What would happen if MCU crashed, followed by FSD crashing, how would you know for sure what was operating?

"Throttle" and "Accelerator" still seem acceptable words for the "gas" pedal rather than "go" pedal. You are throttling the amount of electricity going to the motors, also you are accelerating the car. Both can indicate speeding up and slowing down, and how much you press determines how much...

Not sure I'd call two processors on the same board a redundant system. Still, FSD Beta seems to keep running even when the visualization and touchscreen blanks out. Some videos have shown that. I wonder if any safety systems are lost during the reboot time? Who would know the answer to...

Much like the "rolling stop", this "reversing on FSD Beta" is a function that needs to be explained. When exactly does it reverse, how does it decide, and does it do this safely? Since Tesla only seems to respond when forced, I would like to see someone with FSD Beta report this to the NHTSA...

Well they did say that at least once to everyone who passes the safety test. Beta button will request permission to assess driving behavior using Tesla insurance calculator. If driving behavior is good for 7 days, beta access will be granted.

Yes that is what I meant, and you're correct that there are solutions to that problem. It was a light hearted comment to say that I don't see any reason not to allow self-driving buses, or self-driving anything. So long as it's done right.

The main problem with a self-driving school bus will be the lack of control INSIDE the bus

The release notes are full of subjective terms, "improved", "smoother", "better". Even 4% of a made-up property is likely unmeasurable. I wouldn't call them release notes except where something definitely changed like "disabled rolling stop". This user summarized the 10.10.2 release with his...

FSD Beta will occasionally (xxxxxxx) but only if the safety driver lets it. Isn't that true of just about everything though? Can you think of anything FSD Beta does that is entirely uncontrollable by the driver? In fact if there was, that would probably be grounds to immediately stop using...

Are 2021+ Models 3 and Y the only models experiencing phantom braking? Is that the reason they have limited the probe, or is it just the start?

Those are two separate incidents. Very different buildings Timecode 0:00 to 0:21 up to where he says "supposed to go left" are at Bedford Ave and Eastern Parkway in Brooklyn. That is what the FSD display shows. Timecode 0:22 to 0:30 where the car runs a red light is an entirely different...

Maybe it would be helpful for Tesla to show the FSD Beta option but greyed out and unavailable to anyone who does not have FSD Beta?

Unless I'm wrong, I believe you DO have all the options shown here. What you don't yet have is FSD Beta which then changes the look of the options screen when/if you get it. But you do have all these options now.

If not interesting, it at least bears repeating until people understand. Paying for Full Self-Driving Capability, possibly getting to test FSD Beta in no way means you will get a car that drives itself, ever. FSD Beta may not ever be released, you might just get city line-following nanny...

I get that, do they? I didn't buy it, and I suppose I'm just stirring the pot a little here, but your/our cynical viewpoint is not the general viewpoint. What if it were? That's in the "This is a really interesting line of thought" that you alluded to earlier. Oh well, it's not like Tesla is...

@Scott Fairchild You think your rusty red tactile strips are bad, check out some of these: https://99percentinvisible.org/article/death-tactile-paving-chinas-precarious-paths-visually-impaired/ E.g.

Autosteer on City Streets is not defined on Tesla's product page. All the other features are defined. I find that extremely telling. The other features are either highway based, or stopping for signals (but not starting again), or the parking features. Taken at face-value they in no way promise...

Tie a pair of half shells to your bumper? Same principle as trading cards slapping against the bike spokes

If you don’t understand something Refer to Post 1, OP is asking for help learn All the rest of the Posts People like you are going to screw this up for the rest of us Post #25. Tesla needs to be clearer so misinterpretations don't happen. OP is not the only person to think FSD Beta is...

I'll bet if you put up a hugely libelous billboard against Tesla full of untruths, you'll hear from Tesla soon enough. Legal PR is a form of PR. Maybe they'll disclose the truth in your trial disclosure and we can all learn something. We do learn a bit from the recall documents, like what the...

I realize that by now the Original Poster knows that they don't have FSD Beta. The fact this thread exists does show that something is wrong. We on TMC AI know that a request and an acceptance into the "queue" does not mean you have the software, but how many other people are out there who...

Two corrections to the post you referenced. Missy Cummings isn't the head of NHTSA, she's just an advisor and it's been reported that she's not to be involved with matters related to Tesla...

Yeah, this FSD Beta reversing behavior has Safety Recall written all over it. Reversing on a city street without notifying the driver, (and possibly not lighting the reverse lights and making the backing-up sound, anyone confirm Y/N?) has got to be up there with the most risky things to do...

Let's hope the car puts on the reverse lights and doesn't break any laws about reversing where not permitted. Or you-know-who is going to make them recall it.

Other good cues are the sound of rain on the roof, and yes leverage the other cameras to determine whether it is raining. (somewhat /s I suppose). I think the point of the autowipers though is to keep the windshield clear, not to determine whether it's raining. You don't need wipers when...

Counterpoint: this car with no headlights You're relying on the headlights of the other car to compensate for the defect in your blind spot camera.

I bet if you take a poll of every Tesla driver (excluding those who read the TMC AI forum) you're going to find a majority who vastly overestimate the capability of the "auto.." features. None of these people expected to crash. People damaging their car on Smart Summon didn't expect the car...

Do your eyes not move? Add that to the neck and a bit of torso movement and we can see in a complete sphere, 360° horizontal, 360° vertical even while seated. My counterpoint to your whole argument is: FSD Beta. If everything you said is true, why does it still utterly suck at driving? I...

Are you debating whether these are called cones, pylons, pillars, or poles? :) They're all the same thing: traffic control objects in the road that should not be hit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_cone Does FSD really need to be trained on each shape and color? It doesn't need to...

It seems to have difficulty perceiving orange pylons too. It only showed any of the pylons when they were feet from the car, and the driver had already disengaged FSD Beta. No pylons are shown Pylons are shown

"It wouldn't have hit him, it definitely wouldn't have hit him". See how close it got to the cyclist AFTER the driver over-corrected the car back. Yes it would have hit him. But why is it turning into the cyclist?? (and why are some of them laughing?)

How many FSD Betas are visible on Teslafi and the other software tracker(s)? Compared to the declared total of 53822. Are some cars listed on multiple trackers or does it not work that way? There's no way to see them all I suppose. As to the decrease in updates, could Tesla just be shrinking...

Those in-road bollards are getting more common to protect bike lanes and other things. What happens if the middle one gets wrecked, do cars sneak through the gap? Be glad you don't have in-road concrete like this, admittedly the construction is not finished yet but it's a bit of a hazard as...