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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I'm confused. What in the world are you saying? There are no consumer version of the car. ITS THE SAME CAR. There's the regular version without any of the Huawei hardware (360 cameras, 360 radars and front lidars). And then the HI version (stands for Huawei Inside) With the hardware and software...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Wait what? Nothing you said is even remotely true. You clearly haven't seen the demos so i will give you the benefit of doubt that you are not just blatantly spreading misinformation on purpose because first: 1. The hardware/lidar doesn't cost tens of thousands of dollars 2. It is better than...
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    FSD Beta 10.12

    So you can't actually answer the 3 questions. Gotcha.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    The problem with this is the idea that L2 Anywhere means you have a scalable solution to L4 (everywhere) or L5. Anyone who has actually developed an application for companies would know that scalable applications are not based on what feature sets you have. But the architectural design. So yes...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    This is actually incorrect. Although Mobileye isn't collecting video clips from the almost 2 million OEM cars with front cams & EyeQ4, EyeQ5 with rem harvesting. They are collecting videos as needed from their surround 360 cam supervision Zeekr 001 cars in china though. There are over 20,000...
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    FSD Beta 10.12

    You didn't answer the question and yes i have watched the video when it first came out. I have watched all Tesla Tech presentation videos/podcast unlike you. Now answer the question. Did the guy also mention that they use a radar that is almost a decade old and has multiple orders of magnitude...
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    FSD Beta 10.12

    Did the guy also mention that they use a radar that is almost a decade old and has multiple orders of magnitude less resolution than radars others use for autonomous driving? Did they talk about how two radars are not alike and that there are better radars which they are not using? Or did they...
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    FSD V GM CRUISE

    Typical revisionary history and continued goal shifting. - At first its, "if its really autonomous why do they still have safety drivers." Then safety driver was removed, - Then the goal post was then moved to "why are rider under NDA and why can't anyone get a ride? Clearly they are hiding...
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    FSD V GM CRUISE

    illogical opinions are simply illogical no matter what. OH look another video of waymo driving driverless in SF, same locations where FSD Beta struggles in.. But ofcourse not at all comparable.
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    FSD V GM CRUISE

    Not comparable? Its in ~70% of SF. Take your tesla to SF and its exactly the same scenario/situation. Typical illogical talking points from Tesla fans
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    I wonder what new excuses Tesla fans will come up with when this goes live for everyone.
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    Tesla bringing back RADAR?

    yup, its going to be inferior to what other SDC companies are using (Waymo, Mobileye, Cruise, etc) even if its the full or reduced version.
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    Tesla bringing back RADAR?

    yup. can't wait to quote all these fans parroting vision only and "if sensors disagree which do you trust" nonsense.
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    Its funny that you say that because in these "easy drives" Tesla FSD still falls way short of Waymo and its not even close. for example in Phoenix, not only does Tesla require a safety disengagement from time to time in comparison videos, it actually drives dangerously consistently. Waymo on the...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    what's the update on your multiple 6 months till robotaxi predictions that have consistently failed since around October 2020?
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    what happened to @powertoold Wanted to get an update on his slew of 6 months till robotaxi predictions...?
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    So Waymo which is about to have driverless vehicles available to the public with no NDA in three cities (chandler phoenix, downtown pheonix, sf) is not progressing rapidly. But somehow Tesla who has zero driverless vehicle with only a system that makes safety mistakes every 5-25 miles after 7...
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    FSD Beta 10.12

    2-3 years after mobileye... hmm
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    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    no they didn't. Chris Urmson said he hoped his son (who lives with him) wouldn't need one. He didn't say that Waymo would drive on every street in the country and that no kid in the country would need one in acouple years. Show one company making and consistently making the statements Elon...
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    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    No they believed that Level 4 in limited form would be acheived in a geofenced city. Which happened in 2019/2020! Elon believed and promised level 5, every road, every where, entire country, any wheater, snow, fog, heavy rain, etc in 2 years (back in 2015). Quite the difference. Its like...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    Says the fan of the guy who said they will have one million robotaxis with no one in them in 2019. Now you are telling us how super Uber their 2024 robotaxi is going to be...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    But but @powertoold told me this was impossible!
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    "There's going to be a dedicated robotaxi, it's going to look quite futuristic"

    He will definitely do surround (or complete 180 forward) imaging radars. He will say its to increase the safety to an imaginary "10x" or "100x" better than a human. You know how he throws out meanless numbers because he knows the gullible will lap it up. There were sightings of Teslas with...
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    "There's going to be a dedicated robotaxi, it's going to look quite futuristic"

    What happened to your car has all the hardware necessary for Level 5? What happened to you can only use your car as ridehail in Tesla Network and we will announce details about Tesla Network next year (2017). What happen to you will be a home and your car will make money for you and pay itself...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    Are you still denying the clear obvious scale that is going on? https://blog.waymo.com/2022/03/taking-our-next-step-in-city-by-bay.html?m=1
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    Waymo

    Yet neither is an autonomous driving system? Why can't NOA or FSD Beta drive you from your house to the airport while you sleep? which you demand of Waymo? Why can't Tesla do anything you demand of Waymo? Simple. Just deploy entire SF. Is there a reason for Tesla not deploying in entire SF -...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    This is simply not true. This is also simply not true. Most of the time you are just making stuff up. You don't know the actual "design" of the Uber system. Nor its "functionality or capability". You post as though you are god and get it wrong most of the time and keep double downing. its...
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    Waymo

    Its quite simple. There's variance in the actual environment being tested. some streets are easier and others are harder. This is why when they deploy, they deploy to a geofence area with good disengagement rate not to every area that they are testing in. For example cruise launching at night...
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    Waymo

    FSD Beta stack doesn't even cover highways. The amount of double standard that is always implored is simply amazing Waymo in SF covers over 70% of SF and over 50% of daily trips. If it was the other way around you will be complaining that they only cover tiny percentage (25%) of SF. There's no...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    No I didn’t. You were saying they were testing extensively in 2020 to counter the claim that there was any scale in 2021 or that the scale in 2021 was of any substantial difference than what they were doing in the entirety of 2020 or in prior years. Then you posted the 3 million miles number to...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    That’s 5 years behind Mobileye and tens of millions of mapped miles behind… yikes 😬
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    That's not SF, that's majority mountain view. You do realize that CA isn't SF right? Local reports before Waymo large scale testing was week(s) without seeing a waymo car. After their large scale testing began (late 2020 and fullly realized early 2021) there are reports of people seeing a waymo...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    What happened to L5 (safety disengagement every 150k) in 6 months.... ~17 months ago? Better yet what happened to L4 somewhere in 6 months.... ~6 months ago? Its funny how Tesla fans condemn Cruise, Waymo and others for working in a City yet Tesla still doesn't work in a single route let alone...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    why start at 2009? you might aswell start from The same guy claiming that development started in October 2016 when the first AP2 was delivered to a customer and not when prototypes were seeing testing AP2 much earlier. Is the same guy claiming that we should counting testing from 2009 early...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    Exactly! Plus they started serious testing in SF in 2021. Before then you would never see Waymos in SF. They tested only in Mountain View. Last time they were testing in SF was in 2009 when they were just trying to figure out if this AV thing was even possible. So we kinda have a timeline where...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    I predicted that driverless Waymo with no NDA will be available late 2022 and we might be months away from that. Its hilarious reading back through the posts of all the people who believed it will take waymo the same amount of time it took them in phoenix to go driverless. The question i asked...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    That's not what they said. He specifically mentioned his son and i'm sure his son would live with him and that he lives where their development team hence would have access to the cars.
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    Snippiness 2.0

    Yet Tesla fans go after peoples jobs, life, Bully, stalk and verbally assault and threaten them all because they said something Tesla fans don’t like and this is just an extension of that. I promise you if Taylor had an employer they would be contacting them right now. It’s despicable. It’s...
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    Snippiness 2.0

    Tesla fans are the worst human beings i have ever encountered. Literally what is wrong with this world today. Completely beyond saving with your willful spread of lies, misinformation and downright deranged, hypocritical and illogical thinking. You think you are the arbiter of truth and no one...
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    FSD Beta Videos (and questions for FSD Beta drivers)

    This is the saddest, narcissistic and unbelievably deceptive video i have ever watched. Not surprised its coming from Dave.
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    Wiki FSD Beta v11.x: Anticipation & Discussion

    I will give the guy credit for the effort. But the article focused mainly on what Tesla is doing. The actual “comparison” are mostly footnotes.
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    Tom Tom's map is not a AV HD map... You are actually proving the AV industry right about HD maps. You are proving that using some off-the shelf map and combining it with your internal map with undisclosed level of detail just to avoid "using" HD map is a hilariously horrific approach.
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    Impressed by Waymo's AI Simulation City

    Show me any "3rd tier" studio that has been able to create a game with a 1x1 scale replica of the real world? The large open world games we have, gta, watchdogs, cyberpunk, spiderman, the crew, forza horizon, etc all take 5+ years to develop and all pales in a real world comparison. Its funny...
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    Impressed by Waymo's AI Simulation City

    They are just demonstrating that they are not just moving through the same trajectory that the images were captured in, but that they can have a novel view from any angle. Tesla is doing what other were doing in 2016, 2017, 2018, etc... Back in 2019 on autonomy day, Tesla and elon were laughing...
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    Autonomous Car Progress

    A completely clueless journalist calling a L2 ADAS a self driving car is not "the industry". Most tesla fans do the same thing. The definition from "the industry" about what constitutes a "Self driving car" hasn't changed. Infact the term has been disallowed due to its misuse by non industry...
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    Impressed by Waymo's AI Simulation City

    huh? you mean google knew exactly what to input into AlphaGo Zero? Into AlphaStar? into Muzero? into AlphaFold? This is such a simple and ridiculous way to look at a problem. Tesla fans do this so much its absolutely nuts. Whenever they are talking about others. Its completely binary, its...
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    Impressed by Waymo's AI Simulation City

    3rd tier game studio? There's no such thing as a third tier game studios. Its triple-AAA game studio and indie game studios. Gotta love tesla fans. This literally replaces the tens of thousands of hours it takes artists and engineers to create a tiny game environment. While it will take Waymo...
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    Impressed by Waymo's AI Simulation City

    I remember talking about Waymo's simulation city and was laughed at by @orion2001 @ZeApelido People like @EVNow and @powertoold laugh at the idea that Waymo is years ahead in AI research and implementation. That's perfectly okay. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. When when we look at...

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