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    FSD

    wait. you didnt think paying $12k granted you the RIGHT, to have FSD, did you? YOu have to wait for the privilege..if being asked in. On Tesla's timeline..not yours.
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    Seriously, why does Elon feel the need to lie about even short-term fsd beta timelines.

    I mean...even the most jaded of Tesla/Elon supporters (not you in particular), HAVE to see this ongoing, repeated, intentional pattern by now. Have to.
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    FSD is a fraud

    Dojo and something starting with GiGa
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    Seriously, why does Elon feel the need to lie about even short-term fsd beta timelines.

    So are you implying that Elon (who also has a diverse educational/technical background like you) knows the last statement to be true as well, and is in fact intentionally misleading customers/potential customers by stating (repeatedly) timelines that are far different from what you (and 99% of...
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    FSD V GM CRUISE

    That’s still not a disagreement. 🤣
  6. 2

    FSD is a fraud

    I’m no NHTSA specialist, BUT…I’m guessing attempting to turn directly into the path OF AN ONCOMING TRAIN qualifies as “acting dangerously”.
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    significantly improved AP since delivery.

    https://www.wcjb.com/2022/07/06/two-people-killed-after-tesla-collides-with-semi-truck-i-75/
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    FSD V GM CRUISE

    Sleepydoc...you are NOT getting paid by Elon/Tesla to cover up their shortcomings, misleading statements, horrific communications, multiple failures at meeting established timelines, etc. Look around..read...the chorus of voices of frustration with F Notice that NO ONE is disagreeing with me?
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    Seriously, why does Elon feel the need to lie about even short-term fsd beta timelines.

    I mean….at what point does Elon\Tesla move in the direction of giving factual/truthful product information to their customers/potential customers vs constant misleading advertising? Historically speaking, isnt it more successful long term to a business to have a leader whose word people can rely...
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    significantly improved AP since delivery.

    apparently you dont drive in san fran on streets where trains are coming the opposite way..
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    Seriously, why does Elon feel the need to lie about even short-term fsd beta timelines.

    I mean...folks..its A MASSIVE TRAIN...not a moped..or a bike (which would be bad enough)..but a TRAIN. If only the train were an overpass shadow cast on the road? Then there would at least be a 50/50 chance of braking. So far via the vaunted self driving capabilities we've witnessed a Tesla...
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    Seriously, why does Elon feel the need to lie about even short-term fsd beta timelines.

    Like...HOW...does FSD NOT see a TRAIN COMING DIRECTLY AT YOU in broad daylight? But Robotaxi...next year. OK
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    2022 Model Y 4680 Structural Pack is "Amazing", Says Munro & Associates

    Less weight and cheaper production costs come to mind.
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    2022 Model Y 4680 Structural Pack is "Amazing", Says Munro & Associates

    54% improvement in range. Thats really impressive that the Austin Y's now have that much more range as Tesla promised. "According to Tesla's Battery Day presentation, all the cell chemistry, design, and manufacturing advancements that come with the 4680 cells amount to a 54% improvement in...
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    FSD V GM CRUISE

    I notice you did not disagree. hahaha
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    Seriously, why does Elon feel the need to lie about even short-term fsd beta timelines.

    Here is Teslas promises of the 4680 on battery day: “Tesla held its long-awaited Battery Day event on September 22. And in the event, the company announced several breakthroughs. Most notable of which are, a 56 percent reduction in cost per kilowatt-hour, and a 54 percent increase in range.”...
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    Seriously, why does Elon feel the need to lie about even short-term fsd beta timelines.

    I was only asking if what was promised (pre 4680 rollout) is what was delivered to the customer…
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    FSD is a fraud

    Same here in the USA. But in certain parts of southern California, for example, some persons who recently arrived can’t afford insurance so they risk it. And if you get hit by them, good luck collecting. First? Can be hard to describe to cops what hit you as it might have a ford pinto hood...
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    Seriously, why does Elon feel the need to lie about even short-term fsd beta timelines.

    Speaking of lies: I seem to recall certain promises made about benefits (including more range) for 4680 equipped Y’s. Did those promises pan out?
  20. 2

    Tesla 19” Model S Refresh Tempest Wheels with Pirelli Tires from 2022 Plaid

    Greyhound used to allow shipping of wheels for much cheaper. May want to check with them. uship.com also may be an option
  21. 2

    New Refresh Model S 19" Pirelli Summer Tires

    Price drop to $999
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    FSD V GM CRUISE

    I am not a engineer. But even I...a regular joe can tell you. The cameras on Teslas right now? Will NOT be enough to achieve Robotaxi level FSD capabilities. Mark my words here. Now
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    Seriously, why does Elon feel the need to lie about even short-term fsd beta timelines.

    as if firing them on the spot when they pushed back, wasnt enough pressure..
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    FSD is a fraud

    no worries. Just wanted to post documented info because there actually are people who believe anything. Often its the same persons who believe that over 50+ cases (across multiple states, across state and federal level courts) that were dismissed or thrown out entirely, were all the result of a...
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    FSD is a fraud

    "Viral shedding can occur following vaccination if the vaccine contains live, weakened viruses because that type of vaccine causes immunity through viral reproduction. Examples of routinely used live, weakened vaccines include measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR); chickenpox; rotavirus; and the...
  26. 2

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    Will 10.13 be a "gamechanger" and "fire" like 10.11 and 10.12?
  27. 2

    FSD is a fraud

    Between the hundreds of people laid off in the Autopilot department 2 weeks ago/that office shutting down, and now this.. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-pauses-plants-ending-shaky-134046010.html...
  28. 2

    FSD vs Stopped School Bus

    and where is the game changing DOJO? So much hype over it last year and before, and now hearing nothing.
  29. 2

    FSD vs Stopped School Bus

    NN appears to be quite the slow learner. NN itself rides on the shortbus
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    Seriously, why does Elon feel the need to lie about even short-term fsd beta timelines.

    No. Based solely in his comments in this thread, What appears would make him happy is simply having the CEO/Founder/Hands on leader of the company learn from the past and provide realistic timelines/expectations for updates. If the CEO finds (repeatedly) that he is unable to do so, he should...
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    Seriously, why does Elon feel the need to lie about even short-term fsd beta timelines.

    There was no expectation whatsoever from the CEO of the company that produced your wifes ICE car, that there would be any update... See the difference? (facts are easier to spot if you dont have a massive bias in favor of a brand).
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    Story Time! Day 3 Experience Of a New FSD Beta Tester.

    Sure they can. They look at the numerous 2017/2018/2019/2021/2022 FSD/robotaxi promises and timelines made by the very hands on CEO and then contrast that to YouTube videos showing FSD run into curbs, ignore school bus stop signs, hit green poles, and go the wrong way down one way streets. (All...
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    New FSD beta testers (June 2022) - First experiences

    So the CEO’s statements and promises are “third hand” information now? Ok. 😂😂
  34. 2

    Seriously. What is your max amount you'd pay for EAP?

    Allegedly it’s breaking news: all teslas will get green light chime. No EAP or FSD needed. Now I can FINALLY be on my cell phone and look down when at stoplights. Yaaay!
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    Seriously. What is your max amount you'd pay for EAP?

    I may be the lone person thinking this isnt a big deal. Is EVERYONE paying no attention to the stop lights these days? Where is everyone looking when stopped at a light?
  36. 2

    FSD is a fraud

    Same here. Acceleration? Performance? Battery/drivetrain? (full power all the time..no gimmicky "boost" buttons to get full power temporarily like most others are doing because they havent figured out how to control/manage battery temps yet. And no complex/heavy 2 speed transmission like Taycan...
  37. 2

    FSD is a fraud

    Can someone tell me whats the big deal about traffic light chime? I mean, assuming everyone is paying attention while driving (including while stopped at signs, lights, etc), I’m not understanding the large benefit.
  38. 2

    FSD vs Stopped School Bus

    Elon Musk: "The Full Self-Driving Beta at this point can take you with zero intervention across the Bay Area from San Jose to Marin through complex traffic. It’s really quite sophisticated." Im guessing this meant assuming no school buses were on the road?
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    FSD is a fraud

    to some, its "wildly optimistic". To others? Its "deceptive marketing". But do we REALLY think the richest man in the world, who led SpaceX to achieve what its achieved, REALLY thought Tesla's would go from NYC to LA with NO human input, by December 2017, when he made that claim in 2016? You...
  40. 2

    FSD is a fraud

    Oh, change is coming. Its absolutely...is coming... https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2022/06/tesla-market-share-set-to-collapse-as-ev-competition-heats-up-predicts-leading-analyst/ https://www.autonews.com/mobility-report-newsletter/study-forecasts-plummeting-tesla-market-share...
  41. 2

    Phantom Braking

    DOnt worry. THe Tesla apologists here will tell you that it would be the fault of the driver behind you that slams into your car and possibly kills you. So relax! Wont be your fault!
  42. 2

    FSD is a fraud

    So you know for a fact, that Elon has 100% of all of his properties in his name and NOT in the name of LLC's, etc?
  43. 2

    FSD is a fraud

    Hint: The super wealthy dont always have 100% of all properties in their names. See Russian Oligarchs for reference...
  44. 2

    FSD is a fraud

    If this were anything else with any other company...it would be called a money grab..taking money for something(s) that were promised and not delivered anywhere near promised timelines...with no refunds and no ability to even transfer it to the next purchase to at least have more time to get the...
  45. 2

    Elon backtracks (again): will layoff Hourly workers including those supporting FSD program

    If its San Fran, not sure that its lumps of coal...
  46. 2

    FSD is a fraud

    $12k...to go the wrong way down one way streets. In broad daylight.
  47. 2

    FSD is a fraud

    Cue up the usual poster who comes in to tell you that none of the FSD money you paid has benefitted Tesla yet. Or some nonsense like that.
  48. 2

    Model S Plaid hits OVER 200mph for first time EVER

    But under the Magnusson-Moss act, does this truly 100% void the warranty?
  49. 2

    FSD is a fraud

    Just because FSD in 2022 with the great “vision only” and “dojo” and “new stack” runs into green poles and goes the WRONG WAY DOWN ONE WAY STREETS IN BROAD DAYLIGHT FOR $12,000…isn’t anything to get upset about. Calm down people 🤣🤣

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