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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    An Update on the ROLLER COASTER of my 03/2021 M3P with E3LD 82.1 pack. (31K km today) I wanted to see where it ended to rise. It stops to raise up to 79,6 (just like when new), and I had no time to perform a 100% charge because when I decided to, it started to plummet at 1 kWh "chunks" every day...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    I've made a XLS sheet where you can customize NFP and Wh/km constant and see the True SOC and actual Km left compared to battery range icon km. This is due to 4,5 % buffer. NFP and Constant are editable to suit different Model 3 models and battery sizes. Unfortunately I'm not able to upload the...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    Sincerely i don't know the Average SoC and Average temp. A tesla Guy (when I was concerned about my NFP at ONLY 73.9kWh after 10 months) said it was around 37% Average SoC. Basically here the temp averages about 10 to 12 more °degrees than Sweden. About MIC MP3 battery I don't understand if...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    Could you quantify the magnitudo of the "fell" and the "resurrected" ?. And, at lower value, for how many time it stayed "low"? And when "resurrected" which level reached? anf for how many time it stayed "high"? Just curious to know if you speak of a "resurrection" as mine MP3 that recovered...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    @AAKEE AAKE I really thank you. You are always so accurate. I have to plan a similar drive to 0% let it sit some hours and charge to 100% to check the real NFP and Nominal Remaining of my car. Today i reached 79,5 kWh..... It was 73,9 kWh from mid february to mid march. I think that 73,9 was...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    Have you left the car sleeping to invoke OCV when at 100%? Or you drove it directly to under 55%. And when at 0% have you left the car sleeping some hour?
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    Disappointed by 20" Michelin PS4 S

    Thanks, I used 4 Michelin Pilot Super Sport (old tires DOT 2016) just before to install the PS4S . They were with better feeling (stiffer sidewall feeling) but obviously they were a bit slippery due to age. Definitively I preferred the Pilot Super Sport, but in the wet they were very dangerous.
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    Disappointed by 20" Michelin PS4 S

    Are stock toe setting figures OK? Front: OUT 0.05° +/- 0.15° Rear: IN 0.20° +/- 0.15°
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    Disappointed by 20" Michelin PS4 S

    2021 Model 3 Performance originally equipped with stock 9" x 20" ET34 Uberturbine and Pirelli PZero. Not amazed by this combo I changed rims with Lightweight 8.5" X20 rims. I continued with Pirelli PZero and the handling was way better than before. When finished the outer side of the Pirelli...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    Like I said , I'll charge to 100% when the UP-trend will stabilize or starts to decrease. YES 😅 ...probably a Tesla Ranger during a night replaced the battery... 😂
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    What I wrote friday: "I always charged from around 15%-20-25% to 55%-60%. so the car slips 2 to 3 hours at 55%-50% 45%.... until i recharge. ------>>What changed in the last 6 weeks is that i have no more a safe way to charge in AC at home during night. So, I charge from a free AC Tesla...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    An Update: reached 79,00 kW and 501 km Range It's good to see again 250 km at 50%, 125 at 25% and or 285 at 57%...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    Yes bizarre behavior... I hope is a true better BMS calibration. I plan to see when it stops to climb to perform a 100% charge and see the nominal remaining. I'm a bit ashamed to say the way I'm charging since last 5 or 6 weeks . My routine of the use of car never changed. I do 5 or 6 little...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    An update on my march 2021 Model 3 Perf with E3LD 82.1 FPWN. probably in my last update of 7/10 days ago it was near 77,8-78 kWh with BMS that recalculted capacity from a low value of 73.9. Here the today score: 78,7 kWh and Range at about 497-498 km. 227-228 CAC
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    You can install Scan My Tesla and you can (at least) see how many kWh have been charged with DC (Supercharger or Fast chargers) and with AC in the history of the car.
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    I don't know if I have the time to do a similar test. I could try if i find a day when I'm at 30-35% Soc and only 150-170 km left. Driving only to consume battery is not fun if you know that you have to end near a charger. the battery continue to recover: Yellow is when I performed the sub 0%...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    I made this try not for a particular purpose of Range recovery . so I have saved very little SMT screen. When It was still fresh in my mind I've posted here in this Thread or somewhere in the TMC. I remember of som 3.050 mv somewhere but I don't remember if in motion or in P . I have started the...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    unfortunately during this test i've only a screen of SMT when at -1,56% SoC and same -1,56 SoC expected. In this precise moment and car in P and displayed 3,3 kWh buffer (at 73,9kWh NFP the buffer is less than usual 3,6kWh) the Nominal remainig was 2.2 kWh. So perfect in line with caculations...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    When I was at "only" 73,9 kWh I performed a sub zero% trip to a Tesla destination charger just to see if any additional millivolts were left. The 0km left appeared just crossed the 0% SoC Expected The maesurement (with SMT) was in line with the fact that 73,9 was the real capacity and that no...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    Sure, but the point is: if the capacity is not really changed and I'm able to respect the constant Wh/km while driving , IF the "raised by Software" kWh are FAKE i'll end the juice before to be at 0% ....
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    I'm for the 2 scenario (or a mix of the whole 3 scenarios). It's because I'm receiving feedbacks from italian friends with my same battery and same age and all are experiencing raise in the NFP (or calculated range at 100%). A freind of mine (with a 2021 3rd Quart Model 3 Perf , just sent me a...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    My car is a Freemont made in USA with the 82.1 E3LD batt (1154423 -00 T). It's a 1st Quarter (delievered in Italy in March 2021). I really don't know if MIC or Made in USA. I have connected SMT 140 km after the delivery and the capacity never passed 79,6 - 79,7 kWh. only one time passed 80,1 kWh...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    I really don't know if temp has a rule. Sure yes but not directly linked . I'm in North Italy and the winter can be real cold with always under 0° C (32°F) at night with january the coldest month . But I had the other max value in january (77,8kWh) and the worse values in february/march when the...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    I have not fully undertand: I was thinking you were charging the car to 55% at night and START to use the car immediately after the end of the charge (or as fast as you can). Then you say that you had to change habit letting it (instaed) sleep another 1,5 to 2 hours before to use it to go work...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    My last post on this thread was in February/March (I think). I was a bit warried and not happy because of the NFP displayed by SMT. Battery is a 82.1kWh Panasonic E3DL on my Model 3 Performance 2021 (march) . In February it was low to 73,9 kWh and it stayed to 74/73,9 for a full month ( or 5...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    Yes ... 52%. I made an error. The displayed SOC in the screen is the SMT SOC Expected.
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    Yes you are saying things that make sense about SOc Min /max and buffer I have no Scrren of SMT but like I said some post ago YES, 3,052 (min) to 3,070 (max), 18 imbalance when car was stopped and me out of car with the car consuming 0,32 kW , so not sleeping [ALL of this at -1,56% SOC.) For...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    Here my SMT with mine at around 0%. It was a moment where I was deciding to stop OR to go lower sub 0 %. (in real I allowed to go -1,56% SOC and -1,56% SOC Expected) This is the frame at -0,28% SOC (just used some buffer) What I don't understand are the values SOC UI, SOC Min SOC max ...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    I want to do it a day... the only concern is to do the 100% to 0% (or even to -4,5%) in a single trip. Stops will screws the results. Today I discharged the car to 0. What I obseved is that cell imbalance were near 40 to 50 mV when at 5 or 6 or 7%, so I decided to go near zero to monitor...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    I was reffering on a battery (NEW, never charged , with 0 cycles on his life) charged to 100% and left discharged to 30% AS FIRST CYCLE of his life in 30 or 40 or 50 days. I repeat my car never slept OVER 55% SOC. (only 3 or 4 times at 70 or 80% starting in march and before september). PAST...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    It's only a Theory. I'm just trying to explain to myself , why I have a degradation like this and trying to accomplish the theory of @AAKEE about some batteries that started since beginning under the 80,7 kWh mark*. Probably a battery with some cycles on it will not suffer from a discharge from...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    Yes, we spoke about my car sometimes. 2021 March M3P . Yes at the beginning I had 79,6 measured the same day of the delivery with SMT. Yes i used to charge to 80 or 90 sometimes at the beginning but soon I started to charge less (when neded). My car lost nothing up to August/september. Always...
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    Paragon M3P Two-Piece Front and Rear Rotors. Yes, they are lighter! :)

    how thick is the hat at the rear? and at the front? I need to compare it with the 25mm thick Stock performance hat.
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    you say: " Do we Know anyone that use low SOC and have lost a lot?" Me . and you know that I cosider you a guru. probably not "a lot".... but 73,8 kWh from theretical 82,1 it's a lot expecially if in 11 months and 22k km. I asked to Tesla (a guy I Know). He said I have a AVERAGE SOC of 39% ...
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    LR AWD Rear disc rotors and Performance 2 pcs Rear disc rotors are interchangeable?

    I saw a rear 2PC rotor set for LR AWD (335mm 13 lbs) that's lighter than the rear of a Performance. Just curious to know if they fit. for sure the rims will stick out 4 or 5mm more (and it's not a bad thing). Yes Paragon are availaable for Performance but they are backorder .
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    LR AWD Rear disc rotors and Performance 2 pcs Rear disc rotors are interchangeable?

    So the inner depth is the same? It's only a matter of ET of the Rims SO if LR AWD rear discs are installed on a PERF the rims will stick out more (due to thicker hat) AND if Perf rear discs are installed on a LR AWD the reims will tuke in even more (due to 1mm thick Perf rear rotor)?
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    LR AWD Rear disc rotors and Performance 2 pcs Rear disc rotors are interchangeable?

    LR AWD 335 mm 20 mm thick Rear disc rotors and Performance 2 pcs 335mm 20mm thick Rear disc rotors are interchangeable? I mean: the inner depth of the hat is the same?
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    You can't judge the total range nor the efficiency from the very first miles done expecially if ONLY 16 miles. Probably you used also the brakes and you really don't know what means using the brakes.
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    Trip screen prediction always wrong Model 3 Performance 2021

    Unfortunately I'm down to 73,9 kWh even if I follow your advices dsince september 2021. I agree , the prediction in my car is totally wrong.
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    Thanks. I made a try when I found a 2021 Model 3 P like mine with about same knm and the same age (similar olate numbers) March 2021. I asked him to put a destination , deselect "avoid highway". My same parameters and I selected the same trip to the same destination. I don't remember the exact...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/trip-screen-prediction-always-wrong-model-3-performance-2021.254778/#post-6345582 my graph are always like this. expecially since november 2021. MY 2021 Model 3 Performance thinks to be a SR+ in springtime and downhill....with tailwind.. and predicts...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    Yes, normal to loose 6 or 7 kWh for some batteries in 6 -10 months and normal too it's loosing 0 kWh in 12-15 months for the same battery type. The fact is that being in the 6 or 7 kWh lost club, is not the same that being in the 0 kWh lost club , especially if the charge habits are almost the...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    And yesterday dropped to 73,90 kWh today 73,8 so my graph changed in this way. Since September I charge only to 55-60% and when charged more (SuC in long travels) the car sleeps always under 50% SoC. And we are in winter so the temp can't be the cupltrit, nor the SoC level. But the graph speaks...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    I reply to myself adding another drop to 74,9 kWh , Every day it's a bit less. Im so disappointed . I've sold My old 2019 LR AWD with E3D Pana battery ( 77,7 Full Pack When New but never been over 75,7) at 74 kWh after 2 years and 40K kilometers. This E3LD of the current M3performance losts 2x...
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    if only checked 5 weeks ago or 2000 km less , it was 77,6-77,8 kWh
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    ......My 2021 Model 3 Performance is 11 months old , 21k kilometers and it's 75,2 kWh.... (82,1 "Full Pack When New" but never been over 79,6 ).
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    Range Loss Over Time, What Can Be Expected, Efficiency, How to Maintain Battery Health

    I correct understand? you hav a 2018 LR AWD with 100k+ miles and you still have over 76 kWh ?

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