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  1. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    I tried it again but set the nav to reroute if it saves 30 mn and the nav still rerouted. The nav planned the reroute when I entered the destination, so it was not a last minute thing. I drove manually straight and when I got past the left turn, the nav told me to turn around and when I drove...
  2. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Motional has launched driverless robotaxis in Las Vegas. Similar to Waymo's "trusted rider program", the driverless rides are free for now to get feedback. Motional will apply for a permit to charge money for driverless rides. They are aiming to launch the commercial driverless service next...
  3. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Man, you are still on this "AVs need to be small little pods" thing? I get that a small pod crashing will cause less damage than a bigger AV crashing but if you have reliable perception/prediction/planning, your AV will crash less in the first place. So ultimately, solving perception, prediction...
  4. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Due to their "true redundancy" approach, Mobileye has to validate 2 different stacks, the vision stack and the radar-lidar stack. They are testing the vision stack and deploying SuperVision as L2. They are testing the radar-lidar stack. They are also testing the full stack (vision+radar-lidar)...
  5. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    10.69 still on track for 8/20 release:
  6. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.69

    10.69 still on track for 8/20 release:
  7. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    I agree. But there are definitely some FSD Beta testers who are acting like it is.
  8. diplomat33

    Has Tesla even applied for a permit to test driverless cars?

    I think Elon has said that Tesla's plan is to get FSD many times safer than human drivers first and only then, go to regulators. And Elon seems focused on deploying FSD everywhere, he does not seem interested in doing driverless only in certain areas. So I think Elon is waiting until FSD Beta is...
  9. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    I have a Model 3 and the camera button is at the top of the screen, above the nav bar, next to the temperature. See below. I do find the button to be too small. I sometimes miss the button when I try to press it while driving if the road is a little bumpy.
  10. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    There should be a little camera icon at the top of the screen that you can press to send a short clip to Tesla. But it might only be for FSD beta though.
  11. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    This is incorrect. Mobileye builds their AV maps using cameras only, crowdsourcing data from their large L2 fleet. And the same maps are used for both L2 and L4. Mobileye's L4 is built upon the L2 system. The L4 system uses the same maps, the same vision stack and the same RSS as L2. It just has...
  12. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Mobileye CTO Shai Shalev-Shwartz congratulates Tesla on FSD but shares some key differences between SuperVision and FSD:
  13. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    I fear we are approaching that danger zone that experts have warned about where FSD is just good enough that people start to think they don't need to supervise anymore. It is dangerous because it may cause people to get complacent at the wrong time. The fact is that we must be 100% vigilant with...
  14. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    I wish Tesla would do this. Tesla could build reliable maps and update them quickly with the large number of Teslas on roads. I think accurate HD maps would really help FSD beta. I've had issues with FSD Beta that I think would be fixed if it had better maps. For example, taking sharp turns too...
  15. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    By the way, there is no gap on the map on the screen in my car. So I don't think it is a map error. I checked my navigation settings and it was set to "10 mn" to reroute. So I am thinking that the car simply rerouted because it thought the other route would be quicker, perhaps because Chandler...
  16. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    I will check it again and see if the error persists.
  17. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    A trap street makes sense. Putting a gap in the middle of a normal road, causing the nav to reroute a mile to go around the nonexistent gap, seems weird though.
  18. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    Thanks
  19. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    I have the latest 2022 maps. So it is disappointing that the newest maps would have such a mistake. And that road has never had a gap in it so it is puzzling why the latest maps would have a gap like that.
  20. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    Thanks. That explains it. I have no idea why TomTom would show a gap there. I've driven on that road many times for years and I don't remember there being a gap. How old are the TomTom maps? LOL. Also, FSD Beta does not seem to recognize the left turn lane on E Indiana 42 when turning left...
  21. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    I am not sure if the nav planned it that way. I just noticed when FSD Beta suddenly slowed down and put the turn signal on, that it wanted to turn right on Chandler. There was no traffic so I don't think it rerouted to avoid traffic. Normally, I would cancel FSD Beta to go straight but I figured...
  22. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    I suspect there is some kind of map error or speed limit error. The detour is definitely not faster. E Chandler Ave is a residential street with no lane markings. The speed limit is like 15 mph. Chamberlain St has a speed limit of 25 mph, in some places it is 40 mph. Taking the detour through a...
  23. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.12

    I had a weird situation today. FSD Beta just decided to take a small detour for apparently no reason. See the red path I drew on the map. Instead of continuing straight on Chamberlain St, FSD Beta took a right on E Chandler Ave then a left on N Sharon St, then another left on E Milner Ave and...
  24. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Shashua touts the recent cross country demo and teases that Mobileye will be bringing SuperVision to more vehicles soon: IMO, the fact that they have mapped virtually all roads in the US and EU bodes well for Mobileye expanding SuperVision to the US and EU soon.
  25. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Watch a timelapse of Mobileye mapping large parts of Europe and US in just 12 months. It looks like they've mapped virtually every road in EU and US now.
  26. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

  27. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    We don't know. Mobileye has not provided any more details. I do hope that Mobileye releases some videos from the trip. I don't think they will release the entire unedited trip since that would be 40 hours long. But if they released some unedited videos that show some of the most interesting...
  28. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Suuurrre... Hope springs eternal as they say. I guess you believe FSD will be solved this year. 😆
  29. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Yes, Mobileye is admitting that it was not a "zero intervention" trip. But SuperVision is a driver assist. It is required to have driver supervision. We also don't know if the interventions were for a safety issue during the trip or required interventions like to park the car or move the car at...
  30. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Mobileye just did their own "cross country FSD" trip similar to what Elon promised. Mobileye's vision-only system called SuperVision completed a nearly 2,000 km trip in Europe, in various conditions ranging from day to night and highways, twisty country roads and city streets, including mapless...
  31. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Most likely L4. But we don't know the ODD. Nobody has L5.
  32. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    After getting their permit for driverless, Baidu has launched commercial driverless robotaxis in 2 Chinese cities. Should be noted that the geofenced areas are much smaller than Waymo. Let's see how quickly Baidu can scale from here. But it is a start.
  33. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Good read. Argo says their lidar can see up to 400 meters away and scans in 360 degrees multiple times per second. Their AI can also classify objects separately and understands the relationship between objects. For example, it can classify a bicycle and a rider separately. This is key because...
  34. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Nice article on Zoox's prediction stack: https://www.amazon.science/latest-news/how-the-zoox-robotaxi-predicts-everything-everywhere-all-at-once
  35. diplomat33

    Wiki MASTER THREAD: Actual FSD Beta downloads and experiences

    I've noticed that FSD Beta does not use the turn signal when moving into the right turn only lane.
  36. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Jidu Auto, the automaker branch of Baidu, will soon announce a limited version of its first production robot car, which will be available for pre-order and is expected to be delivered in the second half of 2023:
  37. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.13

    Except, according to the AP2 graphic, the B pillar camera only has a range of about 80 meters. So the car cannot see that far. It can only see up to tree 4. So unless the camera range has changed, the Tesla cannot accurately detect those two vehicles that are further than tree 4.
  38. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    Big milestone for Baidu!
  39. diplomat33

    V10.8 UI: navigate-on-autopilot button

    You know you are on NOA because there will be 1 blue line in the middle of the lane on the screen. When you are in AP, you will see 2 blue lane lines. NOA needs to be activated in settings and the NOA button in the nav directions needs to be blue. NOA only works on divided highways.
  40. diplomat33

    V10.8 UI: navigate-on-autopilot button

    AP is just lane keeping and adaptive cruise control. NOA will automatically take off ramps on highways and also do auto lane changes to follow a route on the highway and to pass slow traffic.
  41. diplomat33

    V10.8 UI: navigate-on-autopilot button

    You would use this button when you want AP to automatically switch to NOA when NOA is available.
  42. diplomat33

    FSD Beta 10.13

    You are correct that 90% is not good enough. True FSD does need to be many times better than human drivers. It should be very close to 100% but it does not need to be 100% perfect. Nothing is 100% perfect. And yes, true FSD does not need to predict erratic behavior of human drivers as best as...
  43. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    Oct is the tenth month. So maybe 10.69 is simply an easter egg reference to Chuck since the update will supposedly "solve" Chuck's ULT.
  44. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    10.69 is the same update as 10.13. Elon just renamed 10.13 to 10.69 because he likes silly references to 69 and 420.
  45. diplomat33

    California DMV complaint over Tesla Autopilot/FSD

    Actually, I think it would be true. Tesla does not share that accident data with the public. Tesla shares the data with NHTSA. And NHTSA has chosen to share the data with the public. We do not get that data directly from Tesla. AFAIK, the only data Tesla shares directly with the public are the...
  46. diplomat33

    California DMV complaint over Tesla Autopilot/FSD

    It is not behind a paywall for me. Here is the full article:
  47. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    Disengagements will depend a lot on your route and traffic. If the route happens to include scenarios that FSD Beta cannot handle well, then you will get disengagements. And if that scenario happens to be 1 mile into the drive, then you might say that you can't go 1 mile without a disengagement...
  48. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    IMO, the real issue for Tesla is that the side cameras might not have enough range to detect high speed vehicles. According to the AP2 graphic, the B pillar cameras only have a range of about 80 m. That is far less than the range humans have. So maybe FSD Beta is detecting a vehicle just outside...
  49. diplomat33

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    I would add that we don't know what conditions produced Elon's "90% success rate". I am thinking Tesla probably only tested in nice weather during the day. So it is really only 90% when the conditions were favorable, not 90% in general. My guess is 10.13 will achieve 90-95% in favorable...
  50. diplomat33

    Autonomous Car Progress

    GM cannot just call it L3. L3 implies that the system can do all driving tasks when engaged. Super Cruise cannot do all driving tasks. It just does lane keeping and adaptive cruise control. So it is clearly L2. Being alert and eyes on the road is more effective than having your hands on the...

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