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    Model Y, unusual noise from dashboard area, recording attached

    If the sound comes from speakers then it could have been produced by the MCU due to EM interference. This has affected a number of model S and X (both MCU1 & 2) and is fixed by adding a few ferrite clamps, might not apply to your case but it's worth locating the source of the sound.
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    Model S 2021 excessive idle battery drain

    My Model S consumes 160-200W when powered on. Suppose that it does not go to sleep then it'd consume 3.8-4.8kWh/day, which is 5-7% total battery capacity. The easiest way to check whether the car goes to sleep is to use a monitoring service like TeslaFi (free but it has a 30 day trial) or...
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    I was going with a total capacity of 90kWh, but for 80kWh the power consumption is 0.02 * 80000 / 24 = 66.67W which could add up over the course of a year (584kWh or ~2000 miles..). If my car is awake for an extended period then it's always due to Sentry Mode keeping it awake. Looking at a...
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    That seems typical for Model S with MCU 2 upgrade. The graph seems to show activities on an hourly basis, which does not necessarily mean that the car doesn't sleep, just that it wakes up at least once at hour. 2% per day for your battery seems a little high (75W standby consumption), but the...
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    It shouldn't have consumed that much energy on standby unless you have things like Sentry Mode/Cabin Overheat Protection turned on. Other cars don't have these features so a fair comparison could be made only without them enabled. As an example, here is my standby graph from yesterday. It lost...
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    The degradation is at its worst at high temperature and high rate of discharge. With this type of drain the effect would be negligible. I don't have a directly relevant study to the effect of low-C discharge on battery degradation, but we could gleam some information from...
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    I'd expect that most of us would have access to cheap night rates, the 20 quid figure assumes a 7.5p/kWh night rate, but I take your point that everyone's circumstance might differ. It's quite a bit higher than an average ICE's energy consumption on standby, which seems to be 1-1.5W.
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    The vampire drain averages 30W (16-20W for a more modern Model 3/Y as they can sleep for longer), over a year it'd cost ~20 quid. This doesn't seem worth concerning ourselves over.
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    Recell: certified replacement battery packs for low-range/bricked Model S

    @wk057 Have been waiting for your feedback on this and you didn't disappoint. Many thanks for the detailed information. We don't even have any comparable after-warranty service here in the UK, but in the next few years as more garages open up to fixing Teslas/EV in general it'll be crucial to...
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    possible first time long distance + wrong side of the road. Tips? Mad?

    It sounds like you're using country-specific charge cards then?. For us it'd be a little tricky since we tend to travel without a specific destination in mind so our plan could change often. It's a pity these charge cards aren't available from a grocery store.
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    possible first time long distance + wrong side of the road. Tips? Mad?

    I expected the price to have been set by the charge point but as long as the price quoted is clear, I'm okay with it. There are some charge points around Europe that are acceptable prise-wise (22kW, 0.33EUR/kWh). Many are 0.59EUR/kWh though and PlugSurfing doesn't make it clear how much they're...
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    possible first time long distance + wrong side of the road. Tips? Mad?

    I've just done a 10-day trip to Europe (France, Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourgh) this Easter holiday, 1700 miles roundtrip. Other people have touched on most of the things to be aware of but here are a few more related to charging: - Buy charging cards to be able to use them at non-Tesla...
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    Semi-new 22 LR owner questions

    I noticed a few things: 1) The time your car spent before going back to sleep appears to be longer than mine, which is most typically 16 minutes. Here's mine for comparison: TeslaMate shall keep the car awake for at least 3 minutes before stopping polling and allowing the car to go to sleep...
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    Semi-new 22 LR owner questions

    The percentage could be less on the S/X compared to the 3, but the miles loss figure might not since they are based on the EPA, which depends on both the driving efficiency and the battery capacity: having a larger battery does not necessarily translate to more range, so quoting the range...
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    Semi-new 22 LR owner questions

    He used TeslaMate so wouldn't need an OBD device for the info. Thanks for the link. It looks like the Model S might consume more power during sleeping than the 3 & Y, but it could be misleading since the 3 & Y are generally more efficient during driving. I'd expect that the power consumption of...
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    Semi-new 22 LR owner questions

    Interesting, I have the same issue on my 2017 MS. Some people reported no sleeping issue (backed up with data from TeslaFi/TeslaMate) on their 2021/2022 M3 so I thought that the issue has been fixed on newer cars. The thread is Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns...
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    Can I cancel scheduled software update?

    I'd expect that once you initiate the installation manually then cancel it, the car would let you reschedule. I've just updated to 2022.12.3.1 so am unable to confirm.
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    Can I cancel scheduled software update?

    Yes, scheduled update could be cancelled either from the app or the car.
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    EV running costs starting to look expensive?

    ICE cars do consume fuel to keep the cabin heated and cooled, just like EVs ;) . If one wants to conserve energy when parked then it's possible to turn off the car (for both types). In fact, as I'm sure you are already aware, many ICE cars nowadays turn off their engine during short stops...
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    EV running costs starting to look expensive?

    I could see where you were coming from but it would be misleading to potential EV owners to say that we lose 30% of energy due to phantom drain/heating/charging when the quoted MPG figures of ICE cars does not take those into account. The reasons for that being it is entirely dependent on...
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    EV running costs starting to look expensive?

    30% is quite pessimistic. The Tesla AC charger is rated at 95% efficiency and I routinely get between 80% (below 5 degree C) to 96% (15C) charging at 7kW at home. The lower efficiency mostly comes from the car needing to heat the battery to a suitable temperature, rather than an inherent loss of...
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    EV running costs starting to look expensive?

    The Citroen C4 Grand Picasso which I came from gave me 62mpg (during winter) to 67.8mpg (during summer). Granted, I'm sort of a hyper-miler so I rarely go above 70mph unless I have to, and will happily cruise behind trucks at 58mph for a little while. In comparison, my 2017 MS 75D gives me...
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    This seems to be a key detail. It's a little late now but if the car keeps waking up every hour with only the Tesla mobile app connected then the system as a whole has a problem which Tesla is not acknowledging. If you're inclined then a quick way without potentially introducing many unknowns...
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    Thanks for the information but if it was truly caused by TeslaMate as Tesla alleges then this sleep pattern woudn't have been possible: Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers . It also doesn't take into account the awful sleep pattern when using a...
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    I had a play with TeslaPy today and came up with a script to monitor the charger's power state and adjust the car's desired SoC accordingly to allow it to go to sleep when the charger is off: from datetime import datetime import teslapy import time email = '<your email>' def...
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    Phone music streaming to MS even when far away

    The standard Spotify premium subscription only allows 1 device to play at a time, you can see (and switch) which device is playing in the phone's app. We're quite a fan of this feature as it lets us use any phone as a remote, additionally, the lyrics is also shown synchronised on all devices as...
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    Phantom drain 🔋⚡️

    That was true with polling mode, but some loggers such as TeslaMate supports pulling data from the Streaming API, which doesn't wake up the car and doesn't prevent it from going to sleep. The Streaming API is also capable of capturing any and all events over a period so it will not miss e.g...
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    How to know what my onboard charger is rated at?

    If you tap on the "112 mi" figure next to the battery symbol then it'll switch to percentages. For the car/app to show the kW, it seems that you'll need to switch the display in the car from remaining miles to percentages as well. Totally obvious, I know :) . Edit: There seems to be no means...
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    How to know what my onboard charger is rated at?

    Here is what mine says: The car shows the same information in the instrument cluster, except for the amount of energy taken (which would be on the Charging screen).
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    How to know what my onboard charger is rated at?

    Yes, in addition to the same information in the car, the app also indicates if the charger is on a 3-phase circuit (you will see a badge with number 3 near the top of the app).
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    Yes, I've tried the query, it'd be quite helpful for someone having a lot of historical data. It isn't able to discern instances where data wasn't available (in my case it was when I stopped my VM for the PC's maintenance for a few hours), but it correctly detected that period where the car...
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    You can change the range of the data being displayed near the top-right corner of any page in Grafana. I've only started using it since the past few months and rarely let it get below 20% SoC so I don't have any data on this. I concur about the Model 3 & Y being better sleepers. If you have...
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    The pattern is readily seen on the Overview page too :) , here is mine: What is more interesting to me personally is the energy costs: A consumption of 30W/h is quite common, anything higher was the car waking up by manual events such as being unlocked. It works out to be 0.72kWh/day which...
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    How to know what my onboard charger is rated at?

    I thought that was the case but from @Rocky_H 's comment above I'm not so sure any more. The max charge rate might indeed refer to US cars only. I also have a 2017 Model S. I've charged at more than few 22kW chargers (according to Zap Map) before and have never seen higher rates than 11kW...
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    How to know what my onboard charger is rated at?

    11kW is the maximum AC charge rate for your Model S. Some earlier Model S's have dual AC-DC inverters on board which lets you charge at 22kW but it was no longer an option for the 2017 model.
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    I see. The sleep pattern is certainly not desirable, but we don't have enough data to conclude whether it is expected. I created that thread in order to collect more data rather than seeking a solution. At the end of the day, the car'd consume ~6Wh on average with this sleep pattern, which is...
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    Model S 2017 75D wont sleep properly 1hr sleep, 15min awake repeat...

    Tesla service personnels don't really have any insights into how the car behaves since the vast majority of them don't have access to/the technical know-how to understand the car's firmware's sources. I wouldn't take what they say as the truth. Reading between the lines, it seems that they just...
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    One person with a 2022 Model 3 has shown that they have no such issue Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers , but another showed similar behaviour on their Model 3 Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart...
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    Interesting, I don't use TeslaFi so will need to roll my own. I'll post here once I've got something.
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    Indeed, 7kW is 0.1C which is minuscule by LiPo battery's charging standard, but another benefit of the Ohme's charging algorithm (apart from being able to use the cheap hours effectively) is that it lets the battery in a warmer state compared to using Tesla's. As an example, if the car's SoC is...
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    I'd concur, to my understanding: Streaming mode is not expected to either wake up the car or prevent it from going to sleep since it passively receives data reported by Tesla server. There might be more nuances than this as the docs isn't crystal clear (it doesn't explicitly say that the 3...
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    Pro: Very good trade in prices at present making upgrade/refresh look cheap .:) Thanks, dropping the charging limit is a good idea :) it'll surely let the car go to sleep after even a partial charge session. Did you use GitHub - tdorssers/TeslaPy: A Python module to use the Tesla Motors Owner...
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    Thanks @WannabeOwner , there seems to be 2 separate issues at play. 1) Telling the car to charge outside of off-peak hours with Scheduled Departure/Charging Time enabled. We'd normally need to initiate the charging manually outside of the schedule. This is something that likely needs support...
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    Thanks, it's something to look forward to whenever the 7 seater Model Y arrives at this side of the pond 😁 . One fewer thing to micro-manage.
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    Thanks @WannabeOwner , I've tried changing my passwords mutiple times, as well as not having any 3rd party services connected but still observed this issue. I don't have any data from my car when it had the MCU1 so couldn't confirm. It'd be interesting if others with older Model S/3 could chime...
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    That is a very good sleep pattern, one that I haven't seen with mine. Another with the Model 3 has confirmed similar behaviour though. Could you please clarify your car's model & year number?.
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    I had considered doing so but it has a few drawbacks compared to using a smart charger: The car is unable to charge based on solar panels output to minimise export. The car doesn't allow us to charge only during a set period (off-peak hours) without workarounds such as manually setting the max...
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    Thanks @GRiLLA , it is unclear from the graph above whether the car has reached its desired SoC, but from your description it sounds like your worst-case scenario is my best-case scenario?. My car never sleeps for over an hour in any condition and I've always assumed that it has been doing so...
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    Huge amount of wasted energy caused by undesirable sleep patterns using smart chargers

    I have a Model S 75D with MCU2 & AP3. The car's usual sleep pattern is 58 minutes asleep, 14 minutes awake. It consumes ~30W whilst being awake. Extrapolating, over a year the car would be awake for 1703h, or 51kWh of energy. This is okay-ish as even at 40p/kWh we'll lose ~20 quid/year. I've...
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    Scheduling a start and end time for octopus go

    It's not possible without a smart charger that understands Time-of-Use tariff (Ohme, Zappi, Hypervolt, etc.). The car charges at a fairly predictable rate though so it's a minor convenience to set the maximum charge percentage that causes it to stop at roughly when the cheap tariff ends. You'll...

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