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  1. Guy V

    Supercharger - Columbia, MO - W Broadway

    It seems to be a much more appealing location for grabbing a meal or otherwise productively spending time while charging.
  2. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I have never noticed that particular problem. I have always had vampire drain, but very rarely if ever leave the car with the battery above 80%.
  3. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    That's very discouraging. Sorry for your sake of course, but it also means it can still be in the future for any of us, and Tesla has still not presented a viable battery replacement option. Possibly your situation could yet be leading to Tesla replacing your battery. That would be good news indeed.
  4. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Sorry, I hadn't been paying attention anymore, just unplugged and drove off, but realized when I got to the grocery store 4 miles away I seemed to have more range than I usually had started off with. I parked in front of the house for a few days without charging, enjoying the increased vampire...
  5. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I have pretty much confirmed that my very soon to be 8 year old P85 has within the last month returned to reporting nearly the range capacity it did prior to batterygate. I first noticed what seemed higher range than I had been getting on regular charging, so I set it to 80% and noted that yes...
  6. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I didn't. Tesla found the brake problem and fixed it during an annual service. Then my Watts per mile usage dropped significantly.
  7. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I keep looking forward to there being enough experience data so we can all know what to expect for real-world battery life. When I first purchased I knew this was a big experiment and was prepared for much worse. It seemed that range was holding up remarkably well over years, then with one...
  8. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    We know what they think is reasonable, the new warranties say 70% retention over 8 years.
  9. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Entirely at Tesla's whim, whatever mood Elon is in today.
  10. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Yep, been setting charging to 100% and enjoying my meal and/or shopping though all of this because I never get past 97% :rolleyes:
  11. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Exactly. You don't know.
  12. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    And which of those cars had essential parts that had to be registered to the master computer with support of the manufacturer for full functionality?
  13. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Tesla does not support that. Tesla disavows and restricts those cars. At this point Tesla offers no plan or endorsement for continued use of their vehicles after the original battery has worn out. We will soon be beginning to find out what the practical extent of that utility will be. We've...
  14. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    The only problem I had, and I suspect most here had, with accepting your simple truths is that you never gave them to us. Tesla still hasn't come forth with them. I don't know about every one else here, but I would have been satisfied with a notification and promise of progress reports from...
  15. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    WOW! Explaining the fires is an order of magnitude more significant than our battery gimping. Where and when are you going to? Far, far more important, when is Tesla going to?
  16. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    No doubt they also expect significant cost recovery from LG. We'll see if they work this out between themselves or it becomes a major PR finger-pointing war. EVs aren't the total, core or even a critical part of Hyundai's business, but were it to happen, that kind of confrontation with Panasonic...
  17. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    You could have a brake dragging. That happened to me several years ago.
  18. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    In the early days Tesla was treating customers like royalty. They really did go the extra mile to resolve all legitimate complaints. They made promises regarding their products and how they would do business. They lived up to them, their employees believed in them, their customers believed in...
  19. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    But you missed the main point: Tesla made that linkage in their statement following the fires. And no one has yet explained the fires. So Tesla has still not unlinked them.
  20. Guy V

    Hydrogen vs. Battery

    But you don't know that. You can only guess the process and the output parameters. Fuel cells already manage complex hydration issues, this would be just one more, and a pretty simple one at that. It isn't as if you are getting something for nothing. The hydrogen still has to be put in and...
  21. Guy V

    Hydrogen vs. Battery

    Actually, condensation releases energy. Enough to be worth capturing? Or perhaps the process they describe can simply use the water in vapor form?
  22. Guy V

    Hydrogen vs. Battery

    The output of the fuel cell is electricity and water.
  23. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Not to mention commit to build out a multi-billion dollar EV charging network/ ;)
  24. Guy V

    Acceleration boost DOES NOT stay with vehicle (unless it is a private sale)

    I don't understand the logic behind these complaints. If Tesla is buying the car back then their offer covers the the cars and all options. Once they own the car again they can dispose of it however they choose. They can use for Tesla Taxi Service, loaners, scrap it, break it down for parts...
  25. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Definitely something to think about after next May when my warranty expires.
  26. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I don't understand your logic. The packs of most on Model S and X are still interchangeable and most do not have the the problems that "a small number" of us are having. They have already made and installed some newer technology "85" packs so clearly they certainly can do it.
  27. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Then which way are you arguing? If there have been no unexplained fires since the update it would suggest the update fixed a major safety problem, right? And if it was a major safety problem...
  28. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Based on the 70% in the new warranties, my instinct is that this is going to spread and not stay confined to the era of 85s, but at least folks won't be able to claim they weren't forewarned. We are also approaching the all new territory of what happens after 8 years.
  29. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Hmmmm, will we or won't we then have more fires? :rolleyes: ...and what does either case imply? That's where I'm stuck.
  30. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I am still trying to wrap my head around the fundamental implications of what we really do know: Teslas experienced apparently spontaneous battery fires. Tesla went looking for causes and solutions for a potentially serious safety issue. Tesla announced and delivered "out of an abundance of...
  31. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I would NEVER accept treatment from a doctor who wouldn't explain the facts of his diagnosis. I would run from his office. I certainly wouldn't pay you to remedy my car on that basis. The worth of your post was that it provided a solid context of all that you had previously said on this topic...
  32. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I also hope to keep my car long past the battery warranty. Until this debacle delivered via update I was feeling very good about that. As things are going now that only looks feasible if Tesla comes up fairly soon with a practical battery replacement program. I strongly believe ultimately that...
  33. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings but I learned long ago not to accept "Just trust me" as substance. What's more, I think you did too.
  34. Guy V

    Snippiness 2.0

    Useful in context, devoid of facts yet nonetheless well worth goading you into. But all of that and you still won't just say what you found? Trying to imagine why not only leads to dark places where I don't want to go. It seems odd that you think anyone has to be deserving of truth.
  35. Guy V

    Snippiness 2.0

    I didn't say I rely upon or take your expertise at face value in either side of the issue you choose to take at any given time. I would first expect you put forth whatever facts you have to support your claims, just as you keep demanding of others. Until then it has no greater validity than...
  36. Guy V

    Snippiness 2.0

    Supporting facts on that "clarification"? Or is that just an unsupported declaration? You know, that thing that so offends you.
  37. Guy V

    Snippiness 2.0

    Yes, you do seem to spend more of your time complaining about other poster's comments than factually refuting them and providing new data. It has been a long drawn-out process teasing as much as possible from you against your selective withholding of information. It even becomes difficult to...
  38. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    You are flat out dead wrong that WHY does not matter. It's called motive. It's called intent, and it very often makes a difference as to whether something is a crime, and the degree of a crime. I simply cannot grasp where you are coming from to say otherwise.
  39. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Oh, you are progressing. Now it's a made-up fantasy, a delusion we suffering under, nothing wrong with our cars at all, we're just trying to cause trouble for poor innocent Tesla. :rolleyes:
  40. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    So you suspect it is an NHTSA coverup? :rolleyes:
  41. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    They were required in EPA testing to use the same operating parameters of ordinary customer use. They have arbitrarily changed the latter parameters and are obligated to notify the EPA and retest under their newly determined safe operating parameters and compensate owners for their previously...
  42. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    That was Apple's claim in their fiasco and it didn't work for them even in an under $1k product with much shorter expected useful life. They sure didn't guarantee them for 8 years after all. Tesla seems to have borrowed from both Apple's Batterygate AND VW's Dieseglate by also using different...
  43. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    That's how I would interpret it. Perhaps someone could explain how that matches up with this claim: "This is false. This is not at all how software locked packs performed capacity capping. This is misinformation represented as fact. (More detail: The BMS capped capacity, not voltage, and...
  44. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    No worries, one way or the other it will most certainly follow some big announcement from Tesla.
  45. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    But that IS speculation, stringing together bits of information gleaned from any available sources and offering it for comment and constructive criticism. That's exactly how the scientific method and peer review works. We all understand that Federal testing must include required defined...
  46. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Perhaps they would all switch to devoted followers if you added a speculation disclaimer to your Tag Line :D
  47. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    Because they have been referenced as such hundreds of times in these literally thousand of posts. It has even been told to you specifically and directly. I haven't seen anyone here sidetracking the discussion by making any personal accusations yet against you or your integrity, only aggravation...
  48. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    You really just don't get it. Too bad. These have all been thoroughly established as speculative hypotheses within a (very long) ongoing discussion. Each statement and sentence does not require a qualifier as such. Take note that not every sentence of yours does either. You are not only...
  49. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    His posts have in fact been labeled as speculation from the outset. I think we have all agreed that all of us here can do nothing other than speculate since Tesla and those claiming concrete knowledge on the matter refuse for their own unknown reasons to divulge what they know. He tells us what...
  50. Guy V

    Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

    I guess it's a matter of perspective. Even if you believe some of the hypotheses Chaserr posts are false based on your expertise and secret information, accusing him of doing so knowingly comes across as defamatory. His motives are clear and simple and align with all of the victims of this...

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