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  1. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    It’s actually 10.69.2.2 in 2022.20.17.
  2. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    What the data say about what? That was a separate discussion about the cumulative number of miles illustrating something in their particular context. A point I repeatedly said stands 💯 equally whether every Beta tester has driven exactly the same or different number of miles on each version of...
  3. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Interesting take on the topic. People saying nobody drives more with the latest beta. Evidence of tons of people saying they drive more with the latest beta. So… you say you don’t drive more. And how exactly is that relevant? I’m not sure you could find a single person who thinks there...
  4. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Did somebody once scold you about the difference between anecdotes and data, and now you’re knee-jerking your trauma? Or are you just trying to grasp at any logical fallacy (google the no true Scotsman) because you can’t be wrong? When the theory is: “People with this opinion don’t exist.”...
  5. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    I’m sorry, BS. This is navel gazing garbage to deflect from actual real truth. The argument is that nobody uses FSD more now that it’s better. And we can find no shortage of reports by people saying they DO use FSD more now that it’s better, everywhere we look including: - in this thread -...
  6. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    The argument is that these people don’t exist. That people don’t drive FSD more now that it is better. Dozens and dozens and dozens of people saying, “I drive more now that it’s better!” abolutely 💯 is data which counters that opinion.
  7. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    A couple people in this thread will tell you that the dozens and dozens of people with reports like this are just deluded, lying, or flat-out wrong about their own experiences. It’s either an inability to understand not everybody thinks exactly like they do, or a rejection of facts which go...
  8. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    The error you’re making is conflating miles driven per person with miles driven. They are VERY closely linked. But miles driven per person is not the telling figure. The telling figure is miles driven, and from that the number of people, especially the particular people and the amount they are...
  9. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Bingo. This is exactly my point. Apologies that I cast aspersions about your motives. (Well, I didn’t actually say that the pace is increasing much more rapidly (Only up to June, mind) only that the miles have increased very rapidly and at an increasing pace. But ultimately that’s semantics.)...
  10. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    The point in question is unrelated to this. Whether it is exactly the same miles per person per release, or whether it has been increasing (as I believe it has and many dozens have reported it has, especially with 10.69.x). Okay here just basic logic: If you believe these average beta users...
  11. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    That is the point I’m referring to. At first I thought you didn’t understand the point I was trying to make (without necessarily agreeing with it). But I’ve been increasingly getting the impression that you wouldn’t even be able to quote the point of mine I’m making. The former would be on me...
  12. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Yup. What does that have to do with my point? You were the one who brought up the idea that the current batch of testers people would be using 10.2 just as much as the current Beta. That was not related to the point Daniel And I were discussing. (I thought the thing you brought up was silly and...
  13. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    From what are you drawing this conclusion? User counts have literally nothing to do with my point. 🤷‍♂️ — You didn’t answer my question. If 10.2 was equally capable and safe as the latest, why wouldn’t Tesla have rolled that as wide as it has gone now?
  14. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Not even close to what I was saying. 🤷‍♂️
  15. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    So all these people in this thread, on Twitter, on the Tesla Facebook groups saying that they are using it more… They are lying and you know the real score that they would be using a way less capable version just as much? 🤔 AND that many miles driven on that way less capable version would...
  16. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Technically, Musk didn’t say that 10.69.2.1 was the version that would go out to the 80+… It’s a fair assumption. But given Musk’s tendency for highly qualified statements (that people often mis-parse as promises without qualification), I’d lay even odds as to whether the ambiguity was a...
  17. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    You are completely missing the point I’ve tried several times to make. So trying to make it again seems like a waste of both our time. 🤷‍♂️ (Hint: Imagine what the graph would look like if Tesla only ever released the first beta version to all those different people at those same expansion...
  18. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    I highly doubt that. You’ll have to provide some sort of rationale. It was white-knuckle chimpanzee with a steering wheel when it first went Beta. You’re saying people are using it no less often now that many of their drives are disengagement or even intervention free? No way. Not quite. Those...
  19. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Uh this is completely wrong. Drivers kill people every day at their own fault. If they're demonstrating full care and attention, they do not lose their insurance coverage for that accident, they do not (usually) get sued to oblivion for negligence (thanks to lower damages and insurance...
  20. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Actually what it shows is that more miles were driven. We 💯 agree on what the graph shows. Please stop arguing that which we agree. But the context of a graph reveals more information behind it. (Imagine a graph showing gender birthrate in China a while back which shows 55% boys and 45% girls...
  21. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Uh… everything you wrote argues my points. 🤷‍♂️ Using a device that allows you to bypass the safety device which tries to ensure you ARE in control of the vehicle so that you can operate the vehicle with LESS control is 💯 increasing the chance of crash. And absolutely will land solely on you...
  22. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Doing this, having the physical anti-safety device in the car, and bragging on the internet achieves the impressive quadruple-self-own: 1. Increases the chance you kill yourself and/or others. 2. Provides your insurance company investigator evidence to deny your claim. 3. Gives any competent...
  23. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Uh… because it wasn’t nearly as capable. 🤷‍♂️ This is kind of my point. I think you’re using a very different definition of capability than I find in the dictionary. FSD is WAAAAY ahead of where it was even a year ago. Way more capable. And it’s getting more and more competent and able to...
  24. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Maybe you can explain why the accelerating slope of those particular miles driven isn’t ”illustrative of the accelerating pace of capability”? Without glossing over the facts that: 1. The TYPE of driver has changed fairly dramatically (from paid internal tester with very high systems...
  25. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    The people complaining about the slow FSD progress truly don’t understand what Tesla has already achieved and is achieving. In frankly an incredibly short time since the blank page restart on literally brand new software architectural grounds. Software people know this sort of...
  26. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    This is the incredibly hard problem that Tesla is years ahead of the competition in solving. Translating the world including its printed surfaces into a near-real-time 3D vector-space, and of course doing it on a Tesla (with its suite of sensors). Change any of those requirements and the...
  27. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    In the off chance you’re not trolling or somebody actually wants to understand what Dojo is… Dojo’s primary (sole?) function is to train neural nets faster. MUCH faster than anything out there can do. And on bigger datasets. MUCH bigger datasets than anything out there can do. Neural Nets are...
  28. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    I find it weird you’d mention Flat Earthers, but one thing they don’t handle well are uncomfortable truths that challenge their dearest held beliefs. Let’s see how you handle some uncomfortable facts that challenge your beliefs… Google’s TPU is optimized to RUN neural net Tensor operations...
  29. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Short term traders don’t care much about about FSD other than its headlines and their reactionary effects on other short term traders. Long term investors see FSD the way they saw the first iPhone (which had no apps, barely any functionality, and was an expensive toy for tech-nerds). The...
  30. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    This is a claim you are entirely making up. I’m not saying it now and I never said it. What you just made up is **LIGHTYEARS** different than doing what Tesla is doing creating a decent framerate live vectorspace model on the Teslas running FSD Beta. (moderator edit)
  31. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    You seem determined to try to argue a point I never made. And pulling out ALL the bogus tricks trying to do it. Once again you’re using VERY different systems (Waymo Block NeRFs generated from 10Hz video using nigh-unlimited compute resources by their servers, not in-car) to try to refute a...
  32. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Absolutely. Plus people are REALLY bad at hearing a promise when Elon makes a qualified goal like “hopefully by…” or “aiming for…” etc. So bad at taking that as a “promise” that you’d think they might be motivated in some way… 🤔
  33. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Weird that in all of your quotes you are VERY careful to not include where I repeatedly described the vectorspace problem of doing it with the cameras/sensors in question used on Teslas. And then you go on to describe how it's not hard on platforms using entirely different sensors. 🤔 Really...
  34. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    You’re not demonstrating that you know the difference between decision of policy vs execution of policy via software implementation. (Maybe because you missed where my point was in response to the software/hardware potential capability, which is MOOOOORE than able to handle nuanced policy...
  35. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    The original response was basically ‘the hardware can’t do it’. The point is the vectorspace conversion is already working. The NN training of edge cases takes a while, but this doesn’t require more compute or memory (this is the thing that makes Neural Networks unique and fascinating)...
  36. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    I think you’re 💯 right.
  37. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Yeah, you came late to the party and completely missed the point where I said capturing the world into the vector-space is the hard part. Once the car can recognize a speed bump (without signs obviously, come on are you even following the discussion 🙄), then implementing driver policy as to...
  38. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    You replied to a comment you didn’t understand because I did not say what you seem to be trying to disagree with. 🤷‍♂️
  39. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    The discussion is a bit more complex than those (and their wives) trying to participate without reading it. 🤷‍♂️ What did Walter say to Donny about the movies?
  40. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Your glibness aside, the context of the discussion is about the relative triviality in deciding how the car should act within a known vector-space scenario compared to the orders-of-magnitude more difficult and more compute-intensive work in creating that vector-space in realtime and decent...
  41. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    No. Read again where you misunderstood the point. The architecural challenges of implementing driving policy are essentially nil. That does NOT mean (as I stated) that this is fast or easy to get right. It’s just the challenges are COMPLETELY outside the hardware and software architectural...
  42. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    The only real hurdle is accurately recreating the world in vectorspace at decent framerate. And they’ve demonstrated by now that HW3 can do that. It’s not quite there yet, but that just takes a bunch more NN targeting, training, and tuning. After that there is a TON of work still to do to add...
  43. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    You can’t read carefully enough for law. That clause is for identification of the lane ONLY.
  44. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Like I said, legal or not, that statute has no language that makes it illegal. Interestingly I found this page about Michigan, which uses the exact same statute that was quoted above. http://www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/Suicide-Lane.htm And the ‘traffic expert’ Church has this to say about why it...
  45. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Literally none of what you quoted makes using that lane while turning left onto that road illegal. This just defines the turning lane in question. The bolded part differentiates it from left turning ‘bays’ where only one direction uses them. In essence it says ‘can both directions on a road...
  46. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69 Set to Release to Only 1,000 Vehicles This Saturday

    I’m not saying it is intentional, but it would actually be super smart of them to keep the poor quality of life jerkiness for a while. As it is now people are much less likely to use it casually and with family in the car. Definitely reduces risk.
  47. MrTemple

    FSD Beta 10.69

    💯 this. I’m still on 2022.16.2 in the offest of off chances that .3 would bump me too high. 😆 Mini-max is very clear here. Your potential pain in updating beyond the next release is way too great compared to the teeny benefits in 2022.20.
  48. MrTemple

    Tire & ground clearance on LR vs Performance

    Not quite. The advisor is confused. It's lowered about a half-inch, but it has bigger rear tires. Ground clearance for MYLR vs MYP is measured in this thread: “the lowered suspension from the Performance Upgrade drops the front by ~17 mm (down to 6”) and the rear by ~14 mm. But the rear is...
  49. MrTemple

    Anyone bought Replica r241 19x9.5 for their new Model Y?

    Can you post the full specs (in the wheel part code) for each version? I didn’t think they sold identical tires with different offsets, so it may be something else that’s different too.
  50. MrTemple

    Wiki Model Y 19" vs 20" Decision Guide

    Got a source? Are you comparing 255/40R20 and 255/45R19 with the proper load/speed ratings for tires that can actually ship? I’d love if this were true, because I am definitely planning to put my beloved DWS on my 20s when the stock Goodyears are worn. Edit: I just checked and the DWS don’t...

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