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    ‘23 tax credit, will Tesla offer discounts in ‘22?

    The problem is my locked-in fsd price is lower than current so if I add after delivery, it will cost more and negate most of the tax credit. The CVRP program in California has an msrp limit too but isn’t affected by add-on options from what I know. I’m hoping ftc will be structured similarly...
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    ‘23 tax credit, will Tesla offer discounts in ‘22?

    Does anyone know if EV suv/trucks over $80k will qualify for tax credit in ‘23, assuming base model is under $80k? Current Model Y pricing, for example, is such that certain configurations are below $80k and others are above. How will the law treat this scenario, which I assume is common for...
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    ‘23 tax credit, will Tesla offer discounts in ‘22?

    As an investor, I wouldn’t have minded being wrong but I also don’t think this is a huge deal for the financials in the big picture. Despite the discount , I plan to leave my order on hold for personal reasons. At least we can reasonably confirm that MY will qualify for half the credit...
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    ‘23 tax credit, will Tesla offer discounts in ‘22?

    I guess I called it. It wasn’t rocket science to figure out that this would happen. For those criticizing Tesla for making this move, personally I give them a pass since this is a one-time situation. I do wonder how many existing orders taking delivery this month already have lower pricing...
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    Just received my new car without ultrasonic sensors

    Agreed, good point.
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    Just received my new car without ultrasonic sensors

    I like to think so too. Her wording was kind of vague. She said ‘Already in motion for vehicles that are being delivered.’ I guess she’s learned too well from her boss!😐
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    Just received my new car without ultrasonic sensors

    So I guess either the software is new from factory since last week, she’s mistaken, or she’s being deceitful/exaggerating.
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    2023 Model 3 without USS and proximity functionality [park assist / summon not available]

    Store told me today that current MY non-USS deliveries already have parking sensor functionality enabled. Is this accurate as far as anyone here knows? If not, maybe there is a newer software version that some cars haven’t yet received?
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    Just received my new car without ultrasonic sensors

    Store rep told me today that cars being currently delivered already have parking sensors enabled through the cameras. Is this accurate? This thread makes it sound like not.
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    ‘23 tax credit, will Tesla offer discounts in ‘22?

    I’ve been canceled on a different order for a different reason- warning was minimal and cancellations are irreversible from what I know. I’ve also been warned for another order about cancellation unless I took delivery- the price was substantially below current- so I took delivery, without any...
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    ‘23 tax credit, will Tesla offer discounts in ‘22?

    Update, my order has been put on hold until January ‘23. I think this is because the original EDD started then, otherwise they presumably wouldn’t have been willing.
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    ‘23 tax credit, will Tesla offer discounts in ‘22?

    I hear you. In my experience, when you have something in writing from them, they will honor it, possibly because they legally have to. This pre-tax credit/oversupply eoq rush might be a real problem for them or possibly not- obviously no one here knows. I don’t see any MYLR new supply...
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    ‘23 tax credit, will Tesla offer discounts in ‘22?

    My original EDD started in January and the store rep put it in writing that I could delay until then. She said then that it was unlikely to get early delivery- she obviously didn’t know what I suspected would happen with the q4 rush/pre-tax credit affect. If they try to push back against what...
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    ‘23 tax credit, will Tesla offer discounts in ‘22?

    Sorry to hear you got cancelled. My original EDD was March-June ‘23 and I got in writing from store rep at the time that I can postpone until then. My price (not counting $3k fsd increase) is same as current. As far as demand once tax credit is in effect, I think it’s going to be very strong...
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    ‘23 tax credit, will Tesla offer discounts in ‘22?

    Agreed, when they’ve offered discounts before (I don’t remember all the details) it was a potential PR problem, but with the volume of deliveries nowadays it would probably be easier to do ‘under the radar’. As an investor, I hope they don’t have to resort to it. Given the circumstances though...
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    ‘23 tax credit, will Tesla offer discounts in ‘22?

    I agree they won’t lower prices anytime soon but offering tax credit discounts to certain individuals seems possible if they need to move inventory. I know it’s against their policy, but they’ve made similar moves at eoq before. Especially q4, which is always the biggest. US MY demand until...
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    ‘23 tax credit, will Tesla offer discounts in ‘22?

    I ordered MYLR in August with an early ‘23 EDD, in anticipation of tax credit. Soon after, the EDD changed to late November to December. I’m not surprised since they are aiming for a ‘blowout’ q4 and especially since I’m close to Fremont. My income is well under the tax credit limit and I...
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    How far will current selling prices fall after Jan. 1 ?

    Fsd value on used cars is low now but will presumably increase as new features roll out, which they have been regularly. I’ve been fsd beta testing for over a year and can personally attest to this. It’s far from perfect but the progress is notable and just today became much more so, now that...
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    How far will current selling prices fall after Jan. 1 ?

    I personally think fsd will rise to $20k on 1/1/23, which will kind of offset the new tax credit, at least for those getting that option. It’s quite clear that fsd price is going to rise with single stack/V.11 release.
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    FSD Beta 10.69

    Phantom braking for other cars/peds/bikes seems to be the biggest problem with 69.3.1- possibly worse than any recent previous build (I’ve been a tester for a year). Other than that, it’s really good but they need to fix this deficiency asap.
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    FSD Beta 10.69

    If you have a refresh X or S they apparently don’t move (yet). I discovered this yesterday- hopefully will come with a future update soon.
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    FSD Beta 10.69

    Update, 69.3.1 seems to work better at night, but more testing is required to be sure. Maybe the sun was affecting the cameras. I’ve been a beta tester for over a year and my first impressions are generally off- typically all the flaws show up as I drive around more. The general improvement...
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    FSD Beta 10.69

    Well, the new version is more polished overall when it’s not braking for no good reason and /or hesitating to go, which has unfortunately increased to the point where its not very usable where I live- urban SF East Bay Area- ‘22 MX. Also, no snapshot button anymore. Hopefully, it will improve...
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    FSD Beta 10.69

    Mine updated to 69.3.1 overnight but I haven’t tried it yet. The previous build wasn’t too great despite being notably improved from the one before, so hopefully this one is another improvement.
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    Insurance replacement value

    I’ve wondered the same thing. I pad $115k for mine a few months ago, but now it would cost almost $150k new. I have Tesla insurance in California, which is the only option I could find with even remotely affordable premiums. I’ll check my documents and report back if I find anything specific...
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    Model X - worthwhile or more trouble?

    I’ve had my ‘22 since June and so far, I think it’s great! It did have fit and finish problems but they’ve all been fixed by service. I had older MX loaners recently and I don’t really like the old interior design plus general handing is just not great on the old ones. Also, I paid the...
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    Waiting Room: Model X 7 Seat ONLY

    The rattles were in the falcon wing door, so unique to MX. Ymmv with sc addressing these, partially because they are subjective. With my car it took 3 visits to have it properly addressed. I was not optimistic that it would get fixed but fortunately it did.
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    Waiting Room: Model X 7 Seat ONLY

    I’ve been going to Berkeley SC. The panel issues technically have to be documented within ~48 hours of delivery for them to fix it (without customer paying) from what I understand.
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    Waiting Room: Model X 7 Seat ONLY

    Just chiming in here- my ‘22 7 seat MX was delivered in late June. Just last week, after about 6 SC appts addressing several minor build quality issues, for the first time I don’t have a service appt scheduled. Issues included interior rattles, misaligned panels, marks in interior, missing seat...
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    Powerwall monitoring without internet

    With all this talk from Elon of a possible impending nuclear armageddon and all (a silly yet horrifying preface I realize), for those with solar and batteries, would the system keep functioning without internet or cell service for extended periods? It seems like it would, except if you can’t...
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    FSD Beta in San Francisco

    I was mostly driving in western SF where it tends to be a more tame driving environment. I assume that accounts for most of the difference.
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    FSD Beta in San Francisco

    I live in the East Bay and have had plenty of the problems reported here with fsd beta, to the point where it isn’t all that useful near where I live. Today I drove around San Francisco for the first time and the performance is noticeably better, to the point where it is actually quite useful...
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    Yield signs

    4 way uncontrolled intersections are fortunately rare especially in cities but the obvious point is fsd needs to assess cross traffic control while also reacting to direct traffic control. It doesn’t seem to do that yet which is surprising because I thought it was mentioned in the latest...
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    Yield signs

    Your car visualizes yield signs? Mine sometimes shows one of them as a stop sign but ignores the other one as if there is no sign at all. These signs have been there for decades. I’ve reported it hundreds of times, doesn’t seem to make any difference. It does stop properly sometimes, but...
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    Yield signs

    Exactly, the car recognizes dogs and trash cans but not yield signs or more importantly how to handle them. Hopefully it’s high on the list of issues to address.
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    Yield signs

    I’ve seen plenty of opinions here that fsdb should not slow or stop for yield signs. I understand this is preferable in select situations, but one block from my house there is a yield sign where there should be a stop sign (4 way intersection). Beta would have already caused one tbone accident...
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    Do your FWD seals touch the spine when fully open?

    It certainly sounds like you know your stuff. The roof is already aligned perfectly but the doors are at different heights in the back when I look closely so I assume the more involved option 2 is what would have to be done. I also assume/fear sc would rather not do it and say it’s in spec. I...
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    Do your FWD seals touch the spine when fully open?

    Great, thanks. Hopefully they can just raise the back of the door very slightly. From looking at the alignment when it’s closed, I think that would also improve proportionally. When you look closely at how many places these doors need to line up, they are quite mind boggling!
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    Do your FWD seals touch the spine when fully open?

    Mine is touching on back corner on the passenger side. I just discovered yesterday and SC says it may be ‘in spec’ - will be determined during upcoming appt. I sure hope not, the seal will definitely get damaged over time- car is three months old. The spine looks perfect- I think the door is...
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    FSD Beta for versions with 2022.28.2 or 2022.24

    I just got .69.2.2 2 days ago. It’s a mixed bag of improvements and regressions (especially over aggressive acceleration in turns and PB.). The newest sw features may be better to have at this point tbh. Hopefully 69.3 will be improved and integrate the new features.
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    FSD Beta Acceleration

    I had beta from last October ‘21 until this June and then traded in my car and just received it on the new car this week like many others. Previous versions had all kinds of issues, some of which have been fixed with .69. After two days with this build, aggressive turning acceleration is...
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    Tesla order cancelled with no warning

    I could be wrong, but my impression after getting auto-cancelled once is that the order is actually ‘gone’ and there’s nothing that can be done about it, although the reps certainly could be a lot nicer. If you have detailed screenshots of the order and you’re willing to go to arbitration...
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    Tesla order cancelled with no warning

    Yes but obviously both companies are being squeezed by a combination of long lead times and rising prices. Tesla is clearly in a far far better position to deal with it financially. I assume Rivian would also cancel a low priced order if given the chance.
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    Tesla order cancelled with no warning

    My 3 month old MX was also ordered in January 2021. I also received a price of $35,000 less than current and when it became available to take delivery, they were definitely in a rush to get it delivered to me asap (end of previous quarter). There were also mild threats of canceling order since I...
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    Tesla order cancelled with no warning

    Sorry to hear about this. I’ve had a previous order canceled automatically as well, for a different reason. After that happens I don’t think there’s anything you can do, it’s pretty much a black hole. If you have a lot of screenshots of the cancelled order details that might help I’m not sure.
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    Is FSD beta 10.69.2 as of 9/14/2022 taking any new people ?

    After, like the day after or the month after? Hopefully the latter but hard to tell with Elon.
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    FSD Beta 10.69

    Im currently on 2022.20.8 with my MX which was delivered two months ago when I traded in my M3 with fsd beta. My current safety score is 94. I’m hopeful that the 10.69 software build number might mean I get fsdb next week, once it’s released widely. Hopeful but definitely not optimistic...
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    New! delivery estimate unchanged by options 8/31/22

    I was told I could postpone until original EDD which was early ‘23 so hopefully not an issue.
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    New! delivery estimate unchanged by options 8/31/22

    My LR order with no options except fsd from one month ago just updated from EDD March ‘23, up to December ‘22. Makes sense since they stopped taking orders for LR M3 they can probably shift some production over. The only problem is if it qualifies for FTC I will have to postpone to early ‘23...
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    2022 Model X - Interior Noise / Rattling / Crackling

    I assume this thread is unfortunately discussing different root causes with similar annoying results, making it hard to get any concrete information. Mine was almost entirely fixed by Berkeley SC a few weeks ago- the invoice said they installed extra sound dampening material in the door, but I...

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