Welcome to Tesla Motors Club
Discuss Tesla's Model S, Model 3, Model X, Model Y, Cybertruck, Roadster and More.
Register

Search results

  1. DarkForest

    Mercedes approved for ACTUAL self driving in the USA. And will accept responsibility.

    I wonder what the overlap is between people who want to go 80+mph in an EV and people who want L3. I like to go 1 or 2 mph below the speed limit, so other cars won’t hang out near me. Think of how Autopilot on the highway works now, but when the speed drops below 37 mph (like during a traffic...
  2. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    The audio the car plays when it’s in drive or reverse. The reverse audio is much more prominent to me then the drive audio. Months ago, I wasn’t 100% sure if it was audio played through the sound system or something about the mechanics of the vehicle. Then one of the software updates...
  3. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    I did a 150 mile drive yesterday on NoA, and 25.1 sucked. The speed based lane changes were way too early compared to previous versions. Like, not “I think they changed something.” They definitely changed something. It wanted to change lanes so damn early. And it wanted to get out of the...
  4. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Would you prefer they say “zero full disengagements”? Are you suggesting there shouldn’t be a distinction of severity between interventions and disengagements? I’m guessing no based on your last sentence. Or that you see interventions as just as bad as disengagements? Or that you want to...
  5. DarkForest

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    Has Elon mentioned if Gen 3 would support FSD? It would save a lot of money if it was a no-frills 200 mile range no-FSD hardware whatsoever vehicle.
  6. DarkForest

    Tesla on Autopilot slams into stationary car (VIDEO)

    If it was using radar, then that’s the end of the story. Radar on any car is setup to throw out datapoints with a speed differential of more than around 40 MPH. This info is usually included in the user manual for a vehicle equipped with radar. So if the driver was going 60 MPH as an...
  7. DarkForest

    How is FSD ever going to work with current camera layout?

    I believe it’s possible for a vision-only system to work. I just have no idea how we’d achieve it. I can buy into the whole “humans only have two eyes and a brain” analogy. However, humans also learn on the spot, and we have other sensors to help us calibrate our vision as we learn about new...
  8. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Something I noticed on 10.69.25 is that it doesn’t always wait until the last minute to get into a turn lane like it used to. During heavy traffic, turning could become useless if the turn lane became backed up. Today, I noticed I hadn’t been having that issue lately when FSD entered a...
  9. DarkForest

    How is FSD ever going to work with current camera layout?

    Semantics aside—from my perspective, my logic thread goes like this: L5 means I can sit back and relax while the car drives itself I can only sit back and relax if the car is 100.000% capable of driving itself (or knowing with plenty of lead time that it can’t in a given situation) I can only...
  10. DarkForest

    How is FSD ever going to work with current camera layout?

    It’s important to have a shared language. It makes discussing and tracking progress easier.
  11. DarkForest

    How is FSD ever going to work with current camera layout?

    I can't even... SAE Levels of Automation I'm not making it political. L5 is political. You're trying to redefine what L5 means. Also, I will never believe a vehicle can operate on roadways without human intervention whatsoever unless the manufacturer puts its money where its mouth is. That's...
  12. DarkForest

    How is FSD ever going to work with current camera layout?

    I don’t know what you mean by L5 capability then. L5 is about responsibility. If they aren’t financially responsible, the system is L2, period. We’ll never be able to look away from the road or keep our hands off the wheel for more than a few seconds. You could call it really good L2...
  13. DarkForest

    How is FSD ever going to work with current camera layout?

    To make sure I understand correctly, you believe L5 responsibility isn't far off? Personally, I think it'll eventually drive extremely well in ideal conditions, and I think if we're lucky, we might get L3 responsibility on highways. I have a difficult time believing it'll drive so well that...
  14. DarkForest

    FSD tale of two systems

    I love FSD and use it all the time. I can see why people don't like it, though. My own opinion of it can vary slightly depending on the Mood and the Vibe. FSD drives too fast if my Mood is chill (e.g. I'm not in a hurry). FSD drives too slow if my Mood is fast and furious (e.g. I need to get...
  15. DarkForest

    Faster way to turn FSD beta on/off?

    Depends on what you mean exactly. If you turn on FSD without a destination set (or remove the destination while you’re in FSD), it’s kind of like autosteer (except more aware, I guess). Is that what you mean? I do that every now and then when I don’t want all the “smarts” of FSD (as in, I...
  16. DarkForest

    Wiki FSD Beta v11.x: Anticipation & Discussion

    Kinda. FSD will likely do better than the worst human drivers in many cases. But attentive drivers who have been through a route before will know to check for the traffic light well in advance. We’re able to see what the color is or at the very least that traffic is building up far ahead (and...
  17. DarkForest

    Wiki FSD Beta v11.x: Anticipation & Discussion

    I was just thinking about how poorly FSD does on the high speed state highways around me. It always sees traffic lights way too late and has to brake pretty hard. Braking is pretty hard in general, and it’s so much worse at 65 mph. As much as I shill for FSD, I’ve been starting to wonder if...
  18. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    That’s wild. Cause it started doing exactly that for me in this release. Turns had been smoother in the last few releases, but it’s accelerating hard in the middle of the turn now, even when going from a 25 mph to a 25 mph. Today, I noticed it started seeing the railroad crossing lights as...
  19. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    I’ve seen people try (to pass off refried beans as re-refried beans), but when you’ve had all there, the distinction is very clear. The ideal re-refried beans are ones that have spent time in the fridge. What you do is fry them once, let them cool, and then store them in the fridge for a...
  20. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    For sure. I’ll probably pay for the 5 years. I’m so glad I never got around to getting HomeLink since this is better and probably cheaper in the long term. Re-refried beans are a 1,000 better than refried beans which are 1,000 better than fried beans. I have tasted all three extensively. The...
  21. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    I tried the new version today, and there are some definite regressions. It started doing the Initial D style turns onto neighborhood streets again. Beta really wants to drift or something. It’s also seeing lane markings where there are none. And it’s become too hesitant at four way stops...
  22. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Most of the time, yes. Smaller cars seem to be more stable on the visualization than larger vehicles as usual. The visualizations of the other cars and what the USSs were saying didn’t agree. I’m guessing that’ll get better over time. Another interesting thing is that one time when FSD...
  23. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Do you remember about how long that was? I have no idea how long the nags take since I never get them. I try to not look away from the road for more than 2 seconds and to not let go of the steering wheel for more than 4 seconds. I’m not sure if I’m being overly cautious or not. They want to...
  24. DarkForest

    Wiki FSD Beta v11.x: Anticipation & Discussion

    I’m also concerned about this. I’m hoping that since Elon drives in Texas (I think?), it’s an issue he understands and will get handled in v11.
  25. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Yes. It “fixed” the problems you keep reporting by removing the report button. 😂 (I know you mentioned it right after.)
  26. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Mine took a while at 50% as well. My router says it was doing some heavy uploading at that time. 🤔 It also took a bit over an hour to do the install. Now that I’m finally on 2022.36.20, having the camera where I want it is wild! My left blind spot camera actually stopped working earlier today...
  27. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    Same. This morning mine said I was up to date as of yesterday at 10:11am which is when I last checked. I’m guessing it won’t bother checking if it just recently checked. I’ll try again around lunch time to see if it’s a 24 hour thing.
  28. DarkForest

    Wiki FSD Beta v11.x: Anticipation & Discussion

    Since the follow distance set by the steering wheel controls doesn’t apply to FSD, I wonder if that’s just going away in v11. That might explain why they never bothered giving us back the 1 setting. If it does go away, I really hope they let us change the driving mode with the steering wheel...
  29. DarkForest

    FSD V11 Discussion - First Released 11/11/22 at 11:11PM - Maybe

    For sure. I think the base case might already be just as good. It’s all the edge cases that’ll likely need some iterative improvements. Last week I was driving on Dallas North Tollway which goes through neighborhoods pretty closely, more so than an interstate highway would. NoA would...
  30. DarkForest

    FSD V11 Discussion - First Released 11/11/22 at 11:11PM - Maybe

    Pure facts. I can zone out for hours on NoA in the right conditions. FSD is wildly inconsistent. There’s an eyebrow turn in my neighborhood that FSD is super inconsistent with. Sometimes it’ll keep going and turn smoothly. Sometimes it’ll stop as if it’s an intersection. And sometimes the...
  31. DarkForest

    FSD V11 Discussion - First Released 11/11/22 at 11:11PM - Maybe

    Do you ever get a chance to see the messages saying why it’s changing lanes? FSD can be kind of odd like that for me, too, on certain roads, and the messages help me understand why. Some of the messages include (not verbatim): Moving away from right most lane Moving away from orange cones...
  32. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    True. However, there are also around 175k gasoline vehicle fires per year in the US alone, and how often do you see stories in the news about that? The last one I saw only made the news because it was near a Tesla Supercharger. As soon as a Tesla did it, it would make news.
  33. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    I know a lot of people would like varying degrees of cruise control including dumb cruise control, but I understand why Tesla is hesitant to provide that. If we had dumb cruise control, the first person to forget they’re not in TACC and plow into another car would seal the feature’s fate...
  34. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    It’ll be interesting to see how they cater FSD for different driving preferences and geolocations. Initially, the Beta was way too aggressive for me, but I’ve gotten used to it. I don’t think everyone else will want to “get used to it,” though (whether they think it’s too aggressive, too chill...
  35. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    That’s how I have NoA setup right now, but I think I’d want auto-lane changes on highways if the Beta was better about understanding what it was seeing. Like if a car is driving 10+ mph faster than me in the next lane, I don’t want to get in front of them. Or if my lane and the next lane are...
  36. DarkForest

    FSD V11 Discussion - First Released 11/11/22 at 11:11PM - Maybe

    Rest of the World? Are you a volunteer Waze editor? That’s the only context I’ve seen that used.
  37. DarkForest

    FSD V11 Discussion - First Released 11/11/22 at 11:11PM - Maybe

    2021.44.25.2 (v11) came out on December 23, 2021—the same day I got my M3LR. I only got to use v10 on the drive home from picking up the car, and then I got v11 the next day when most people got it. Since I never really got to use v10, I didn’t have any complaints about v11. Ignorance is bliss...
  38. DarkForest

    random chitchat

    Still too gender specific. Fanperson? Fanentity? Fankin? Or maybe just “shill” to make it easy. 😂
  39. DarkForest

    FSD V11 Discussion - First Released 11/11/22 at 11:11PM - Maybe

    I don’t know if this is just a joke that went over my head, but just in case… Software v11 is different than FSD Beta v11. Software v11 was released last Christmas, and a lot of people disliked the new v11 UI. FSD Beta v11 was released to employees just yesterday, so none of us here have it...
  40. DarkForest

    random chitchat

    I appreciate the response. We have differing opinions on the topic, and that’s fine. Personally, I find avoiding certain words a trivial amount of effort, and I don’t want to have to decide which words are legit harmful and which words were arbitrarily chosen as “bad.” Big mood.
  41. DarkForest

    FSD V11 Discussion - First Released 11/11/22 at 11:11PM - Maybe

    I thought Elon had said that parts of the FSDb vision code was already incorporated into AP and single stack was mostly about merging over the planning logic, but the v11 release notes specifically call out merging both vision and planning code from FSDb over to the highway stack. I’m interested...
  42. DarkForest

    random chitchat

    I’m really not sure what the issue is here. Are you saying that only some people’s experiences and reactions are valid? Do you lack empathy? Do you consider your desire to say certain words more important than a forum owner’s desire to do what they want on their forum including empowering mods...
  43. DarkForest

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    People were only being concerned about grandmas, and I was just trying to be inclusive of grandpas! 😄
  44. DarkForest

    random chitchat

    You don’t have to keep a census on the language that hurts us. We’ll let you know. We got you, fam. — a member of multiple “alphabet communities”
  45. DarkForest

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    My expectation is that “grandpa” will turn it on once, FSD will do something that scares him, and then he’ll never turn it on again. I hope the first time uses like this are scary but harmless.
  46. DarkForest

    FSD V11 Discussion - First Released 11/11/22 at 11:11PM - Maybe

    Possibly, yes. If not now, then soon. With AP using the FSD Beta stack now, we might finally all get to be on the main production branch, and the only difference between AP, EAP, and FSD cars is a toggle for whether or not you’ve bought and enabled those features.
  47. DarkForest

    40.X and steering Wheel weight?

    Sounds believable. Detecting that the torque on the steering wheel varies over time seems straightforward enough, and with FSD v11 officially starting the march towards release as of yesterday, it makes sense they would add monitoring-defeating detection for the big Beta rollout. It suggests...
  48. DarkForest

    Elon: FSD Beta tweets

    I was sure this was a part of the Twitter drama going on, but it looks legit. Exciting! Hopefully we’ll actually get it by December.
  49. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    I think FSD is already amazing, but I see where the haters are coming from. FSD might be at the 90% mark at this point, I’d guess. It works well enough in ideal conditions (mapped roads with clear lane markings and nothing out of the ordinary including the weather). It still has some jerky...
  50. DarkForest

    FSD Beta 10.69

    I was thinking the same thing today. Not much reason to release 2.4 unless there isn’t a direct upgrade path from 2.3 to 3. I drove some more on 10.69.2.4 this afternoon, and I noticed it’s a lot more aggressive. I’m not a fan of aggressive, but as I’ve learned before, I’ll get used to it...

About Us

Formed in 2006, Tesla Motors Club (TMC) was the first independent online Tesla community. Today it remains the largest and most dynamic community of Tesla enthusiasts. Learn more.

Do you value your experience at TMC? Consider becoming a Supporting Member of Tesla Motors Club. As a thank you for your contribution, you'll get nearly no ads in the Community and Groups sections. Additional perks are available depending on the level of contribution. Please visit the Account Upgrades page for more details.


SUPPORT TMC
Top