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  1. Duma

    Old / Failing 12 V Battery may interfere with Car Going into Sleep Mode

    Since I haven't been able to find any posts on this topic, I bring this hypothesis to the community. I've been on TeslaFi monitoring service since August 2016. Among the items monitored is when the car goes into sleep mode. During that time, I never had a problem with my Model S failing to...
  2. Duma

    Original 12V battery @ 99k miles. Should I proactively replace?

    I got the "12 V battery needs service - replace battery soon" message about two weeks ago and had the battery replaced yesterday. I got about 4.5 years out of the battery, which seems within the range quoted by Tesla. My car is relatively low mileage, at 44K but the wear and tear on the 12 V...
  3. Duma

    Firmware 8.1

    Looks like you are new to the forums. Welcome! Tesla's process for determining the sequence in which updates are sent to cars is inscrutable. After much speculation over the years, no successful explanation has emerged. If it is something really important, like a security fix, the release...
  4. Duma

    Firmware 8.1

    Unless they have finally automated this, discrepancies between firmware versions quoted in the invoice and what actually gets to the car are common. Much of the invoice is manual copy, paste, and edit. Unlike the early days when the technician manually loaded the latest firmware, for at...
  5. Duma

    Firmware 8.1

    From my perspective, it seems positive to get an update after 1.5 months (17.26.17 to 2017.32.9ea02cb), after waiting 2.5-3.5 months between updates earlier this year. Part of that was no doubt getting the AP2 cars to functional equivalence to AP1 cars. It seems promising that we are back to...
  6. Duma

    VisibleTesla

    Sadly, the developer of this application stopped supporting it about two years ago. While the source code is available, no one else has stepped forward to take over support. There is some discussion around January 2017 a couple of pages up in this forum about what is involved. As mentioned in...
  7. Duma

    Firmware 8.1

    Tesla appears to have made a change to when the car is willing to go to sleep with 8.1 (I'm on 17.14.35) that is of interest to people who monitor their car via a logging site like TeslaFi. Past behavior has been that the car would not go to sleep unless it has not been polled for 15-30...
  8. Duma

    Wiki Tesla Supercharger Stats

    I am also getting the missing file error from Firefox on Windows 10, so I don't think it is a browser problem. Perhaps Google is tinkering with their URL structure and this has broken the links to the shared files.
  9. Duma

    TeslaFi.com

    Seems Tesla has changed how sleep mode works with 8.1. I am on 17.14.35 and have found my car taking naps during the day on the last couple of days where my car was parked all day. Since James has not mentioned any changes in TeslaFi, other then the work around for the missing battery current...
  10. Duma

    TeslaFi.com

    This happened to me almost 2 weeks ago, but I think it was because I forgot to update the token before it expired. However, unless it went unnoticed into my spam folder, I did not get any reminder emails in the week before the token expired. I vaguely remember getting multiple reminders to...
  11. Duma

    TeslaFi.com

    Short answer is yes, you can run both without issues. I have been doing this for some time, primarily to have local details on charging. Some things to watch out for: If you want the car to sleep (to minimize vampire drain) you need to manage sleep in both VisibleTesla (VT) and TeslaFi. As...
  12. Duma

    Near annual replacement of 12V battery is typical according to Tesla Service Tech

    Mrbry's 12V battery problems are definitely a drag and he has my sympathy for the inconvenience. While it is possible that the replacement 12v battery is defective, the symptoms suggest that there may also be a problem with a component related to recharging the 12v battery. Unfortunately, this...
  13. Duma

    Firmware 8.0

    Agreed there has been more of a problem in recent builds, but advancing to the next song or selecting another stream usually resolved the problem for me. With 17.4.14 it becomes a solid failure that lasts for several minutes before apparently resolving on its own. (In the couple of cases so...
  14. Duma

    Firmware 8.0

    I have been noticing more loading errors with Tunein on 17.4.14. Specifically once it has a loading error it stays in this state for a bit. Happened to me once yesterday and once today. Trying to manually advance to the next song (which was my usual fix on prior releases) nor selecting a...
  15. Duma

    Firmware 8.0

    The idea may have merit if the year.week corresponds some engineering / testing release point for the build. Per data from the Firmware Tracker, initial observed deployment in the field appears to lag by a week or two: 17.4.14 first reported 1/29 (2017 week 5) 17.3.15 first reported 1/25 (2017...
  16. Duma

    Firmware 8.0

    I noticed a subtle change in the IC animation with 17.4.14. In addition to the cars directly in front me showing a relative angle (which appeared with the first 8.0 builds), cars in the adjacent lane are also doing this. Specifically, I was at a T intersection, stopped in the left turn lane...
  17. Duma

    Firmware 8.0

    Not sure how long this will last, but for the moment there appears to be a pattern to build numbers 17.x.yy. If x is an even number (17.2.12, 17.4.14) then the build is going to HW1 and pre-Autopilot cars If x is an odd number (17.3.2, 17.3.15) then the build is for HW2 cars. I know some cars...
  18. Duma

    Firmware 8.0

    Looks like I am one of the early recipients of 17.2.12. Unlike 17.3.2, which appears to be in rapid rollout to HW2 cars, 17.2.12 appears to be for earlier cars (I'm AP1). Despite the discontinuous leap in the internal release number, it still reports on the console as V8.0(17.2.12) and the...
  19. Duma

    TeslaFi.com

    Just a quick appreciation for the revisions to the software updates page. Very easy to get a sense of which AP version an update is primarily targeting, which is likely the most important variable at this point. I also appreciate your talent for finding organizing data in a way that conveys...
  20. Duma

    VisibleTesla

    I've taken a brief look at the VT source code. The root cause of the problem is that VT does not use a true database, instead storing the data in a simple file using a tricky format that helps to reduce the file size but makes the file difficult to read with a different program. VT tries to...
  21. Duma

    Auto Air Suspension Raising can be annoying

    If you mean one place to configure this permanently for all locations, then no. I don't recall such an option in earlier versions either. When you are on the configuration tab for ride height, there is a status message with a small "X" icon. Pressing this causes the location to not be...
  22. Duma

    Firmware 8.0

    If you have been missing the updated 8.0 owner's manual in your MyTesla documents, look again after you get 4.42.40. I originally received 2.36.108 about a month ago, but no manual once it was released a couple of weeks ago. Got 4.42.40 yesterday and today I noticed that MyTesla now has a link...
  23. Duma

    Has Tesla stopped 8.0 updates?

    Not sure how smart the Tesla servers are about detecting the bandwidth to your car. If the hotspot is still LTE, just Verizon's rather than ATT, at one level you have fooled the car into thinking it is connected to WiFi, but you haven't changed the bandwidth dramatically when compared to cable...
  24. Duma

    Has Tesla stopped 8.0 updates?

    Updates are still trickling out slowly. You can monitor this yourself at the site referenced here Firmware Upgrade Tracker . Check the Updates by VIN range to see how cars in your VIN range are doing. Note that only about 1% of the owners participate so numbers for the whole fleet are likely...
  25. Duma

    TeslaFi.com

    My experience is that connected really does need to be off. Even when I set the "time to try sleeping" to 30 minutes, my car never goes to sleep when connected is on. WIth connected off, it happily goes to sleep. FWIW, I noticed the serious startup lags on 7.1 with energy saver on, even with...
  26. Duma

    IRS form 8911 - ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLE REFUELING PROPERTY CREDIT 2015

    FWIW, @cpa was spot on for my case. I was able to get the $7.5K EV credit but my tax account said the 8511 for the charger installation was not allowed due to AMT rules. This was on my 2015 taxes. Don't let this discourage you from exploring the primary residence charger installation, but...
  27. Duma

    Firmware 8.0

    The whole navigation system is a bit of a kludge. There are two pieces. One is the Map app that appears on the console and uses map data from Google. While this is called "Navigation," the only input to the navigation is selecting the end point (start point is current location) and any...
  28. Duma

    VisibleTesla

    The author of VT has not been active on this forum for over a year. I only have 1 Tesla, so I can't give you a definitive answer. I can tell you this. The data for a specific car is stored in files based on the vehicle's VIN. So I don't see a need to have separate data directories (nor do I...
  29. Duma

    TeslaFi.com

    I appreciate the amount of information that you are able to able to get out of the Tesla API, given some of the real limitations of the Tesla API. I have looked at the API and for the benefit of others, I'd like to point out several factors that limit the accuracy of estimating the supplied...
  30. Duma

    Wiki Battery table

    An added issue is that when the software for the TMC site was updated about a year ago, it broke the wiki WYSWYG editor for the table so adding data has become more than tedious - even for those who know HTML - and basically ended this data collection effort. Better data is being collected...
  31. Duma

    VisibleTesla

    I understood that. For those owners who are not programmers, the trust factor on the developers is the same whether it is VT, TeslaFI, EVmote, or TeslaLog. The additional vulnerability for the cloud apps is that they also might allow a third party (not the developer) to easily compromise the...
  32. Duma

    TeslaFi.com

    Count me as one of the impressed users. I am late to the party, only joining a couple of weeks ago. Outstanding design providing both meaningful summaries and the option to drill down to further details, including more or less the raw data collected.
  33. Duma

    VisibleTesla

    All security is relative. Unless you have downloaded the source, reviewed it thoroughly, and compiled it yourself, you can't be sure that your token is not being shared by the program (posted to a bad actor's server). The fact that the source is available for inspection does inspire (possibly...
  34. Duma

    Near annual replacement of 12V battery is typical according to Tesla Service Tech

    While I am intrigued, I don't have a need to pursue the specifics here. I do want to clarify the point about the 2nd Gen D car. I assume that you mean to say it is easy to break in and there is no way to disable the manual unlatching technique that you have found. In the refreshed design, I...
  35. Duma

    Near annual replacement of 12V battery is typical according to Tesla Service Tech

    In my opinion, having a way to open the frunk without tools from the outside is a serious design flaw. Security through obscurity (trying to keep a secret) is no security at all, because sooner or later (and usually sooner) the secret gets out. Tesla should know better. The pre-refresh Model...
  36. Duma

    VisibleTesla

    Tesla does not even officially approve of third party use of the API used by VT (and others), let alone the level of access you would like. That said, there are some intrepid types who have gained this level of access but are being discrete about how they do this. They aren't active in this...
  37. Duma

    VisibleTesla

    Glad that you found this, since that makes more sense than indirectly accessing this through VT. Also, my apologies about my initial reply. I forgot about the experimental web services API since I never use it. FWIW, the html for the pages you reference are internal to the VisibleTesla.jar...
  38. Duma

    VisibleTesla

    No. While written in Java, VT is purely a client application with an output display that is "local" to the PC. ("Local" is in quotes to the extent that you can remote the display such as X-windows with *nix or remote access to the Windows desktop.) To my knowledge, the only time VT generates...
  39. Duma

    VisibleTesla

    If you are seeing several files that begin with your car's VIN then you are looking in the right place for the data. That's the good news. And while the files are text and not binary, the bad news is that they do not appear easy to edit. The detailed data is in a file that ends .pts.hdr (I...
  40. Duma

    VisibleTesla

    In my opinion, the developer of VT is just being responsible and alerting you to a potential risk, which in practice is minimal. Tesla has not released the API used by the phone apps for use by third parties. (Clever folks reverse engineered it.) In order restrict the load on the servers...
  41. Duma

    VisibleTesla

    That seems like a viable approach. Your scenario is new, but lots of people use VT to schedule their charging so they can time it to complete just before they leave in the morning. Especially helpful for those of us in colder climates who want to preheat their battery to avoid or minimize cold...
  42. Duma

    Tesla Winds and Elevation Web Browser App

    At the risk of going slightly off topic, you are perfectly correct that the car is overly optimistic about weather conditions, which appear not to be considered, when using a 10% buffer. Even worse if you will be driving a bit faster than the posted speed limit. The estimate does factor in...
  43. Duma

    Firmware 7.1

    I agree with you to a point. Use of autosteer is nominally "limited" to divided highways, which rarely have those hazards, unless you are in a construction zone on the highway (and those are common). That said, Tesla also enables the autosteer on "other" roads, albeit sometimes with speed...
  44. Duma

    Firmware 7.1

    With over 9000 miles on autopilot including a recent cross country trip, I have experienced the autopilot triggering the lane departure warning on multiple occasions, sometimes more than once on the same day. Not to say that it is frequent but neither is it rare. Beyond the obvious that it...
  45. Duma

    Firmware 7.1

    I noticed another small but important improvement in autopilot on an extended drive with 2.20.30 today. Previously (up to an including 2.17.37) when passing a large vehicle like a large truck or semi, autopilot like to move to side of the lane where the vehicle was - if the vehicle was to my...
  46. Duma

    VisibleTesla

    If I am remembering correctly, it was working for me on Windows 7 until around October, 2015 when Tesla released version 7.0 with Autopilot. I am running the same VisibleTesla jar that I got in July, 2015 so that rules out any change in that code. I am perplexed why a change made by Tesla...
  47. Duma

    Firmware 7.1

    On the question of release notes, one point that folks consistently forget is that all releases don't get pushed to all cars. To have fully accurate release notes, they would need to be customized to the car based on previous release that the car received. While this could be easily automated...
  48. Duma

    Firmware 7.1

    I have not encountered your specific scenario but have observed that autosteer will permit small adjustments in response to firm pressure (rotational) on the steering wheel below the threshold that disengages autosteer. I became persuaded of this during a 6700 mile road trip this past month...
  49. Duma

    Official: Model S Service Plans

    I spoke with Tesla and confirmed that the posted prices of $400 for year 1 and 3, $700 for year 2 and $900 for year 4 "have just gone into effect." Not sure how much I believe that last bit, given the new prices were posted at the end of February. In any case, I am getting a refund of $200...
  50. Duma

    Official: Model S Service Plans

    I did not purchase the service plan when I bought my Model S. I had my first annual service today and was charged $600 (plus an additional $180 for alignment, which I was expecting) instead of the $400 quoted on the Tesla site. I showed the service adviser the pricing on the Tesla Service Plan...

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