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For the first time in a long time, my car actually sent some video back to the mothership today. Maybe because I updated to 25.2 recently? It was a relatively uneventful trip. I'm personally much more inclined to use FSDb if I know I'm contributing data though.

Yeah, that kinda ticked me off. I get the impression that their plan is "Well, we said an FSD purchase would guarantee all the hardware required to make it work, so we're going to have to deliver this...somehow, in some form...on HW3, because things have changed too much at this point to...

It's glacially slow and cumbersome, and practically speaking not very useful at all. You have to be within a pretty close distance to your vehicle to use it. I HAVE used it a couple times to avoid getting wet in parking lots where nobody was around and that was kinda cool, but it's basically...

Cresting hill PB has been a huge problem for me with 10.69.25 (just got .2 last night and it's still an issue). My daily drive is pretty simple and therefore I see less of the navigation/blinker issues, but this one makes FSDb practically unusable in my area. I literally have to hover my foot...

Agreed, though I'm honestly encouraged that they're taking their time with this one. Hopefully it'll be less buggy than we've come to expect in the beta!

Well, it used to be the case that FSDb would designate the car in front of you as the "lead" car and would use it to help guide itself. I assume it still does, although this is a pretty extreme example of why blindly following a lead car isn't a fantastic idea. If only there was a video...

Just curious - for all of us losers now without a snapshot button, are your vehicles uploading anything to the mothership anymore? Since getting 25.1, mine has uploaded basically nothing...maybe a tiny bit of metadata here and there, but certainly no videos. This is despite a lot of...

So long as the software doesn't suck, I'd argue the internal camera should be a much better indicator of driver attention vs. steering wheel nags. The wheel doesn't detect hands, just torque, which has caused a plethora of problems from users both trying to legitimately use the system and from...

It already does this to some degree. Early on in the beta, it altered my route to work because it consistently failed to make a certain left turn, every single time. I've also seen it plan fairly silly routes to avoid making moderately difficult UPLs.

Sure can, and that's most often what I do. It's an admittedly painless intervention on my part, but NoAP should still be able to do that on its own nonetheless. FSD should surely be able to do this, eventually.

I agree 100% with your assessment. I'd add one more gripe to your list though - NoAP does a lousy job with traffic merging from an on-ramp into its lane. It never speeds up to accommodate this traffic, nor does it temporarily change lanes to make room. What it DOES do is wait until the last...

I'm on 10.69.25.1 (software 2022.44.30.5) and got in on the initial wave of safety score testers with FSDb 10.2 (I think it was 10.2?) My release notes don't say Early Access Program, nor do I have the report button anymore. Guess I'm no longer special!

Yes, that's one area where recent updates have shown a nice improvement. It still takes the curves too slowly in most cases, but the lane keeping is infinitely better. My biggest issue with hilly roads now is phantom braking was reintroduced at cresting hills. If it can't clearly see what's...

I wonder if that 10k threshold (1), is a hard number; and (2), will include highway AP driving up to this point. I feel like 10k city driving is a really high benchmark. My daily commute to work is less than 14 miles round trip, and most of my drives otherwise have passengers in the car...

Elon had better hurry up and release v11 if he wants this 10.69 thread to end on page 420...😉

Interesting...in my case yesterday, I did some city driving in Maryland that I don't typically drive, and a lot of backroad/mountainous driving in PA. The backroad stuff typically generates a lot of data, and I imagine, as you said, not a lot of Teslas pass through there, let alone Teslas using...

Here's an interesting data point - I drove four hours today, much of it on AP & FSD. LOTS of interventions of every kind. My car has uploaded basically zilch to the mothership. Are they done caring about this version's data from us peons already? Maybe we're closer to getting something new than...

Seconding everything @sleepydoc said. Tesla REALLY needs to provide more guidance on what FSD is capable of before going wide. Having been in the beta since 10.2, I can't even fathom turning it on in snow & ice-covered roads. That's basically a death wish lol.

So, I got 2022.44.25.5 last night. I was one of the few FSDb people that got the 10.69.3.3 update, which I had for literally about a week before getting this one. Which begs the question - why did they even bother with 69.3.3 with anybody? Did they really get any useful data from that version in...

I generally agree with you, but I also think there are some things I can't reliably intervene for when I'd really like to. One example - leaving my development, FSDb always stops WAY ahead of the stop sign, then slowly creeps up to an actually useful spot where you can actually see traffic...

I don't believe the release notes have changed from the last version. Although I suppose I could be wrong, because it all reads as the same gobbledygook word salad gibberish to me every time lol. That may not be true of everyone, perhaps just those of my limited intellect!

I'm downloading 10.69.3.3 right now as well...

Nah, he's much more likely to say two weeks vs. one. By that logic, we should expect it to come in half the usual time, so if 2 weeks = 2 months, then next week might = 1 month ;)

I believe you can also use the voice command "Open the glovebox" to do it without ever touching the screen. It's easy to forget how handy voice commands can be at times!

Forgive me if I'm missing something obvious, but is this an actual dialogue between Tesla owners and Musk? Where did it originate from?

Yes, the button has been removed for the majority of people (but not all of them). They're choosing who they want snapshots from, and I have to assume they're getting enough general data from the rest of us automatically that we don't need to fuss with the button anymore. Personally, I'm kind...

I generally agree - NoA is consistent while FSDb is, well...more exciting ;). I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if highway FSDb is at least slightly worse than current NoA on its first iteration. That being said, keep in mind that highway driving is, by its nature, an easier problem to...

Me personally, I'm excited because it signifies progress. The sooner everyone (or at least more people) are running this code, all the time, the faster it should improve. In theory, anyways.

Hmm, my M3 got a software update last night, but it was just 10.69.2.4...

Yeah, I get this quite a bit myself. I haven't driven through mountains on FSD, but even in the rural, curvy & hilly areas that I frequent, it will often break if it can't clearly see what's coming next. It's strangely inconsistent though. Thankfully, the phantom braking has gotten MUCH...

I'm gonna second what @drtimhill said. For some people, the difference between HiFi audio vs. 320 kbps MP3 audio is like night and day. Others literally can't hear a difference. For me personally, the difference is subtle, even with my M3's "premium" audio system. As for how much a...

Oh I was wowed alright - absolutely flabbergasted at how bad it was :). Night and day vs. what we have now, as imperfect as it still is!

Not to negate someone else's experiences, but I don't know how anybody could possibly come to that conclusion. The initial rollout was shockingly bad...we've got a long ways to go, but also, we really have come a long way in the past year!

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-commits-pure-vision-approach-model-s-model-x-no-radar/ Looks like radar was dropped from 3/Y production in May 2021 and from the S/X in February 2022. Although, now that I'm thinking about it, they may have only DISABLED radar for vehicles that were enrolled in...

Not to speak for @EVRider-FL but I believe he's talking about the transition to Tesla Vision. When that happened, radar-equipped vehicles (which also include my M3, for the record) stopped using their radar even though the hardware was still present and functional.

Funny you say this...I took a couple 4 hour round trips this past weekend, nearly all highway driving using EAP/NoAP, and I was kinda wondering the same thing. As crazy and inconsistent as FSDb can be, I've always said that EAP/highway driving was rock solid, or at least predictable in what it...

This is something Tesla will eventually have to address of course, but I wouldn't count on it happening anytime soon. It's been a problem since the beta's initial rollout, and hasn't changed a lick as of yet (in my experience, anyways). For now, I think they've still got much bigger fish to...

Agreed, which is why I turned on lane change confirmations. I still cancel probably close to 50% of the lane changes it wants to attempt, but it's easy enough to just tap the screen to cancel them. It's still a bit timid when merging with traffic though, both on and off ramp - I'll usually...

I have FSDb in my M3, while my wife's MY has standard AP. I REALLY miss automatic lane changes when I'm driving her car on the highway, mostly because I have to disengage AP every time I need to change lanes (yes, first-world problems indeed, but it's the truth lol). Navigate on Autopilot...

In my experience, it will USUALLY drive in blinding sun, but on occasion it gives me a takeover message or refuses to engage. I've never seen it slow down for this though, so that's interesting to hear. Also interesting - the front cameras clean themselves? How/when do they do this??? I...

Blinding sun is one of several issues that Tesla has yet to address. Add to that the inability of the cameras to clean themselves, and also possibly the very placement of the cameras being sub-optimal in the first place. I really don't know how they could say all their vehicles of the last...

I think your only real option is to email [email protected] Include your VIN #, the date/time of your snapshot, and a brief description. The odds of you hearing back are almost zero, but that's the only feedback mechanism Tesla has given us (aside from the report button, of course). I have...

Actually, as low as $2,000 for a very brief window, for certain people that already bought EAP...if memory serves me right (which it often doesn't :) ).

Personally, I agree with you - laughing at a post that clearly wasn't intended to be funny comes off as condescending/belittling, in my opinion. But for some of these offenders, I'm pretty certain that wasn't their intent. They legitimately found something about it to be funny in some way...

In that case, I think there's a disconnect. James seems to be commenting on FSDb as a whole, while Elon is talking about this early beta release in particular. Both have valid points in their own context. BUT, seeing as how Elon seemingly misconstrued his words, AND that his retort was blunt...

I believe the FOMO refers to the increase in the base price (this time, from $12k to $15k). The idea is twofold - (1), it makes you want to lock in the lower rate now; and (2), it gives the impression that something amazing must be right around the corner, because otherwise why would they be...

Agreed...but I have a suspicion that the main thing holding back the merged v11 single stack is phantom braking. NoAP generally works pretty well already, aside from occasionally dumb lane changes and issues with merging traffic. In the absence of all those other variables you mentioned for...

I feel like the "easiest" solution to all of this would be to adopt national standards. That may seem far-fetched, but once the whole autonomous vehicle situation really starts gaining traction and public interest, I could maybe see it happening. Of course, here in the US, we'll probably find...

I have a radar-equipped M3 and am enrolled in FSD Beta. Please be aware that phantom braking remains a consistent annoyance with FSDb. However, I don't think that's a vision vs. radar problem - it's an FSDb problem. I rarely get PB events when I'm driving on the highway (which uses the old AP...

Yes, sometimes there's no other option when visibility is poor. It can be safer to back up vs. slamming the accelerator. This reminds me of another FSD edge case. There's a stoplight near me in a small rural town (it's the only stoplight in town, actually!) where visibility is basically zero...