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Don’t think they got to the part where they try and train the system on ice or snow. Plenty of that around here. All secondary roads have been ice covered with drifts of snow for a couple months. No notice of that by the car. But it doesn’t know speed limits on these roads either, and I...

What exactly on any Tesla is not beta?

Are humans really in control? What is the minimum reaction speed that is required when the car does the wrong thing at the worst time? Is it humanly possible in all cases? What driver ed courses teach rapid engagement of the accelerator when the car decides its time to do an E-stop? Do they...

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When speed limits are reduced (like going into a town) the car has always just coasted at best. Never has made an effort (like braking) to slow down. It will only slow down if another car is in front slowing down. This is “normal” bad behavior and has been for a long time, regardless of...

Wondering if the limit is the cameras or the inability to process the exponentially increased data that comes with looking further out. They exceded the limits of the ”redundant” processor quite a while ago and gave up on that. Could be at the limits of using both now.

What a deal. Now you can buy the Brooklyn Bridge for half price!

Wait until someone tells Musk that they can drive perfectly well with one eye. He will be removing all cameras but one and put that money in his pocket too.

This is what happens when so-called beta software (in a beta car), is spewed out to anyone with no training whatsoever. Not sure what kind of reaction time is expected, but combo phantom behavior with tailgaters and voila. Are we supposed to have both feet over the pedals with muscles tensed...

Maybe only buy from a company that provides customer service. Tesla puts that money in its pocket. Maybe they will wake up now that they don’t have the demand that allows such poor service.

It would be consistent if Tesla picked the lowest cost map vendor. You get what they paid for...not much.

Kind of what I meant.…never… Although they will pronounce victory and move on, when it really has never worked well enough to be practical. I can see people taking your parking space as the Tesla checks everything and does the hokie pokie. Give me 40 acres and I can park this thing.

They will get this to work when they get FSD to work.

So if I was a bad driver then FSD might seem good? Not sure they will ever get mapping right in rural areas. Probably only have the speed right half the time around here. While most roads have no speed limit sign (even most bad drivers can figure out the speed limit), I even have a case here...

Just had a friend, who feels the auto park feature is important, request to delay delivery until the feature is available. They canceled his order and kept his deposit. I consoled him by letting him know the feature doesn’t work on either of my Teslas which have USS. Auto park and summon have...

This latest version is so bad, I have re-discovered the joy of just driving. So stressful to continuously monitor this bad joke as it does its best to make you look stupid to other drivers, (and I do feel stupid anyway for buying it and thinking it would ever come close to being useful). I...

The only value I get is to override the bad speed limits and still have it do the auto steer. Wrong - way wrong on half the roads around here. No mechanism to fix it. I got took. It‘s a process, but I believe most of us who bought this steaming pile of software will get there too. We all...

Have you heard the words “car salesman”? I guess that’s his version of “free speech”. Maybe his penance is dealing with twitter. Too bad we paid for it.

If they were really serious, the car would be able to figure out the speed limit without referencing bad map data. (Humans can figure it out pretty well). If they were really serious, the car would drive on the right side of the road. Seems like they are trying to put a roof on a building...

The strategy may be to keep raising the price and removing sensors, while keeping a skeleton crew going to justify the FSD scam. As long as they keep ”working” on it, they don’t have to return any money, and by continually raising the price, reduce and eventually eliminate new customers. One...

Never had it work for me. Stopped trying long ago. It was probably thought of as some kind of line item of things you get when you pay for FSD to pad it out. Well, that and auto park, which has never worked either. In fact, now I can’t even park in my garage because it ”sees” a large object...

I probably should just have Wikipedia’d it, but if the processor in the car can suffice as the neural network, you would think that they would at least have speed limits figured out, instead of relying on the terrible map data.

So this neural net you speak of is contained within each individual car? What makes it a network?

Are you saying that in real time images are transmitted to Tesla? Sounds very processing and ping time intensive. It would explain its poor performance though.

Noted some improvement over the previous, but comes to a dead stop on a two lane rural road when a dump truck approaches, even though clearly on its own side of the road. Probably not happy it can’t drive down the middle, which it seems prone to do on unmarked roads. Also gives up completely...

Mine tried passing on the right, I think. Car in front turning left, 2 lane road plus a right turn (also to pass left turns there). I was already for it to slow and stop being the car turning, but it signaled right and went into the extra lane. I thought it would pass on the right, but as it...

Only if the map data is correct. But it isn’t, and there is no correction mechanism.

How hard is it to walk to your car? Feature complete!

Won’t be useful until it stops using the bad map data. Speed limits aren’t close on half the rural roads around me (and thats all the roads there are).

Or in my case, even when it does see the sign, the default overrides it. It feels like they want it to be useless in a rural setting. Seems like they could solve controlled access driving with some effort. They seem to be trying to get city driving, but I’m wondering about all the rest...

It seems to read the signs and shows the change up to 55 mph. It then drops to it’s imaginary 35 mph. I went over this with two different Tesla Service techs and the closest I got was that the car is reverting to the map based lower speed limit as it is “safer” than going the speed shown by...

I have the FSD beta. It certainly displays what it thinks is the speed limit, but when it is lowered, it very slowly glides down - could take half a mile. Usually I intervene, as I don’t want a speeding ticket. Seems lame that it won’t slow down as fast as it speeds up. Also seems lame that...

Is it really that hard to drive the car yourself?😂😂 Sounds like what to expect when they announce FSD is feature complete.

As a retired chemist, I was always offended when people referred to me as an engineer. Science (scientific method, research) and engineering (plumbing, machinery) are two different things that folks seem to think are the same. The world needs engineers to reduce technology to practice, but...

In over 2 years, my Model 3 has only noted parking spots 3 times - always at superchargers, no where else. Even those instances, it went very slow (with no other cars either adjacent or across), and then quit before in position to charge. Pretty lame. Kind of like FSD beta.

The guy’s a car salesman. He says absolutely anything he wants to. Always has, always will. Best to ignore him, even if we took him seriously at some point in the past (probably why we have the cars and the not FSD).

Bug report is not looked at unless you put in a service request. It also is flushed from the system after two weeks. Of course thats from a Tesla service guy, so could be entirely made up just to cancel my request. They have done that in the past…

If only the car could really “see” more. Taking away the radar may make the software easier, but could you really “see” better if your ears were removed? To “see” more it needs to compute more, and it doesn’t appear to be able to keep up as it tries to “see” further to make better decisions...

Actually Tesla has put itself in the mapping business, probably by subcontracting it, but they are in the business as they use it for the self driving features to work. They don’t work as they should, especially in more rural areas due to these errors. For Tesla to be serious about FSD, they...

Not sure how they get their nav data, but maybe google maps. I found it interesting that last year it could navigate directly to my brother’s home in Ohio. This year however, it only gets you close. When I map this same route on google maps I get the same current Tesla result, with the...

Not per Tesla. Bad road speed map data. Tesla not interested in fixing it and offers no mechanism to get it fixed.

They are of that style, where there are signs. Mostly there are no signs and the standard rule of when no signs, the limit is 55. I do have a video showing the car leaving a town with a 35 mph speed limit in town and the car following that. Then a 55 mph sign comes up leaving the town. The...

I only use mine to get the speed correct on the many roads around here (rural) that are wrong. I disengage at every turn to both avoid the impatience of those around me as it waits until it can’t see anything (kind of like Mr. Magoo - my new name for the car), and also to save damage to the...

The best feature, and the only one that keeps me in FSDb, is that I can override the speed as much as I like. Where I live, the speed limits are off by 20 - 30 mph (always low) on half the roads. There is no effort being made by tesla to correct this, so auto steer can’t be used on these roads...

Too bad Tesla chose to work on city driving before they had the highway right. Highway, with controlled access could be hands free much more easily than city will be. I feel that city will never be hands free given the almost infinite variables. They can only get speed right part of the time...

Isn’t all Tesla software beta? Musk is the master(of)beta! And we all buy in.

I get a frozen navigation list when I set a destination. It drops down to show the routing, and instead of collapsing up and beginning the route, it just stays down covering up a quarter of the screen. The map still shows the location of the car, but no detail as it still displaying the entire...

So maybe the question should be will we get a person to Mars before we get actual (non-beta bs) FSD? I vote Mars - less traffic.

Funny how I thought it was a good idea to get an advanced safety capability to supplement my abilities to drive, especially as these abilities deteriorate with age. Now it takes so much more work to babysit this thing and be ready for it to do stupid things at any moment - and it does. I’m...