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  1. M

    Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y

    I love how some folks are defending this "fix" as being resourceful. If this arrangement appeared on a Chevrolet Bolt the members here would lose their *sugar*. Funny thing is the wood is a band-aid for a band-aid; the cooler is insufficiently supported in its original design, necessitating the...
  2. M

    Tesla Y Pictures - Interior and Exterior

    Based on these pictures, I reassert my stance that there's no way any supposed "third row" would be usable for humans over age 8.
  3. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    I've been watching EV development for a long time, believe me I understand all the benefits of designing a ground-up EV around the battery pack in a skateboard style. It's EV 101. What goes on top of that skateboard however can be designed to look like pretty much anything; why does it have to...
  4. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    Sorry. It looks even more ridiculous than before.
  5. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    It's not the lack of curves, it's the ridiculous pyramid profile with the hard break on top. The proportions are all weird too. Let me ask you because I know you've been around here a long time and are pretty smart, so I'm genuinely curious... What were you hoping and/or expecting it would...
  6. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    Well they have a couple years to sort that out, don't they? I don't think they could sell anywhere near that I year 1 in any case, but what does pushing the envelope get you? Especially knowing the light truck market is notoriously hard to break into? The EV aspect alone is worth a couple...
  7. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    I'll be honest, that design does not look terribly aerodynamic to me. I've not seen a lot of vehicles with hard breaks in the roof like that. But then, I'm no aerodynamicist. I'd be really interested in the numbers on it. Agree 100%. Take the Semi cab, in half scale, and put a pickup box...
  8. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    Yes, I have seen a DeLorean. And I've noticed they have curves on them, and a lot more style than the Cybertruck has. Working with stainless does not preclude having a pleasing design. If you read closely, you'll notice that I acknowledged that the Cybertruck is designed with flat surfaces...
  9. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    Oh please. What's compromised about a Ford F250 vs. this Cybertruck? What does the Cybertruck do better than the F250, as a direct result of its exterior design? Maybe trucks look the way they do after 100 years because everyone's settled on the solution that works best for 99% of the usage a...
  10. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    Alright, alright. Maybe I've gone a little too hard on this thing. Or at least on the people who say they like it. I can't understand that, but everyone gets to like what they like. Some people want to be different just because. But honestly, if I was a stockholder, and this is what they...
  11. M

    Snippiness 2.0

    Alright, I'll withdraw the comment that "It's okay to admit this Cybertuck looks terrible". Lots of people will probably buy it because it's different and they think it looks rugged, or futuristic, I guess. But let's stop pretending the design suits any actual functional purpose. Because it...
  12. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    I never said it wasn't a good value. I said it looks awful. For the record, the vast majority of people buy cars based on other factors than the spec sheet. Otherwise no one would ever buy a Jeep Wrangler except hardcore off-roaders. Emotions fuel overwhelming majority of car purchase...
  13. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    Both of those vehicles look the way they do because the shape performs an actual function. Tell me exactly what the function is of a pyramid shape on an automobile. There isn't one, because automobile styling is exactly that, just style. Why would a car designer style something that...
  14. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    I don’t care either way, to be honest. What’s always been funny about this forum is that people assume that because I have different viewpoints, I must be invested on one side or the other. I’m not. I have my Jaguar, I’m content. I think Tesla’s cars are reasonably attractive and good...
  15. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    Lots of people here today have said they don't like the design, but put down money for one anyway. It's truly baffling. Like ordering food you know makes you sick. When it comes time to finalize the purchase, and we see what it really looks like in order to meet regulations (mirrors, real...
  16. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    Most of the landscapers I know used an enclosed trailer to haul their equipment around in, because even a longbed won't accommodate everything they need. At a 6.5 foot bed, there's little chance a landscaper would use one of these for crew work. The point of saying the deposit is pocket change...
  17. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    I'd say even $1000.
  18. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    It's not just you. Not by a longshot.
  19. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    Elon Musk could design a car that looks like a flaccid penis and 100,000 people would give him money for the promise of one in two or three years. That's cult of personality at work for you. For a while last night I thought maybe this was an exercise to see just what he could get away with.
  20. M

    This truck design had better be a joke....

    Yes, it's been a while, hasn't it? Well, it has the range, I'll give it that. But I honestly don't need a truck with this much capability. We haven't had a full size truck in the fleet in 30 years. We have only two Colorados right now, because sometimes you need to deliver 10 cases of...
  21. M

    This truck design had better be a joke....

    Same could be said for tires. There's a functional reason for that. Tesla will sell some of these to the True Believers and those that need to draw attention to themselves (I can just wait for the first one to get the Bro-Dozer treatment). A Tesla truck coud have been revolutionary. Instead...
  22. M

    This truck design had better be a joke....

    I mean, I'm far from alone in this regard. If most people agree that Jennifer Aniston is pretty, it's probably because she is. Just saying.
  23. M

    This truck design had better be a joke....

    Yes, but just imagine if he had specified something more conventional looking... What if they could capture 10% market share? With their tech that's not so hard to imagine. This design is a galactic fail.
  24. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    No other car company would be so stupid.
  25. M

    This truck design had better be a joke....

    ^^ This. Trucks look the way they do because of the tasks they're asked to perform. Lose the ICE and I guess you can argue against the hood. In that regard, I was expecting sort of a cabover or "forward control" type design. The design of this "truck" brings no benefit other than "look at...
  26. M

    This truck design had better be a joke....

    Assuming your point of view is 1982.
  27. M

    Tesla Cybrtrk

    So... A flaming douche-mobile?
  28. M

    This truck design had better be a joke....

    I like how several people here are oohing a aahing over its "function over form" design, and I'm still trying to figure out exactly what function this awful design helps accommodate. It doesn't even look that aerodynamic. Car design got away from sharp edges for a reason. All this proves to...
  29. M

    Tesla's real plan is to disrupt itself with the robot cars.

    I'm not trying to shoot the plan down, I think it's brilliant. If he can get it to work, by which I mean the Level 5 autonomy. I'm just pointing out that if he does get it to work, the really doesn't need to sell his cars anymore.
  30. M

    Irritated after 4 days of SR ownership.

    I must have misunderstood the part where Tesla just said they lost 700 million dollars in the last three months.
  31. M

    Tesla's real plan is to disrupt itself with the robot cars.

    All Tesla is doing is using their current customers to fund Tesla until Tesla no longer needs them. Why sell you a car and then give you a cut on its robotaxi use when they can just keep the whole cut themselves? Why bother building and marketing a fancy car to the whims of consumers when all...
  32. M

    Irritated after 4 days of SR ownership.

    I do realize that... *shudder* It's a better car now, from what they say, but I suppose that's like being a taller midget. In any case, I think you can agree there are plenty of case samples to contradict this notion of "too big to fail", three of which I quoted just off the top of my head...
  33. M

    Irritated after 4 days of SR ownership.

    Hahahahahahahaha! A car company with a global sales volume less than that of JLR is "too big to fail". Former executives of Circuit City, Pan Am and Sears might like a word with you.
  34. M

    Tesla's real plan is to disrupt itself with the robot cars.

    The question is, if Tesla can set up this fleet, why does it need anyone to buy its cars? All Tesla needs to sell you or I is a subscription to ride in its cars whenever we choose. Or are Tesla's future customers really only Uber and Lyft? Or whatever comes after them? I've heard it time and...
  35. M

    Irritated after 4 days of SR ownership.

    Quite interesting thread, @MXWing. I remember you and I having a discussion in February about the SR being finally announced. You and I more or less agreed that it was the wrong time to bring it out. Since you have one now, and are such an advocate for it, I assume you see this impacting...
  36. M

    What ever happened to customer care

    This, 1000x this. All over this forum, in all the 'painful delivery' threads, owners chime in with the familiar refrain, "Once you drive it you'll forget about the bad purchasing experience." This may be true to varying degrees, but it begs the question, why should they have a delivery...
  37. M

    Returning Tesla M3 after awful delivery experience

    I wouldn't worry too much about 69 miles, as long as the rings have been seated it should be okay, but maybe keep the rpm down until your first oil change. In all seriousness, I do remember "back in the day" picking up a car for the company fleet (in Illinois) and the dealer having stacks of...
  38. M

    More Model 3 changes and leasing now available

    See, even though I sometimes disagree with you, it's comments like this that make me have no choice but to like you. For the record, I don't want Tesla to fail, nor do I think it will. I happen to think Elon is kind of a d!ck and is probably not the right person to be helming Tesla at the...
  39. M

    More Model 3 changes and leasing now available

    I've been away a bit... @MXWing I have not, and I'm not going to pay Turo for the privilege. I only personally know one 3 owner and that's on an acquaintance level. He'd probably let me drive it but I don't have his number and only see him every few months. Point taken, however. No, I...
  40. M

    More Model 3 changes and leasing now available

    You should know by now, but since you asked it's because Tesla is by orders of magnitude the most interesting automotive story of our time. Anyone with any interest at all in the automotive industry should find them compelling, no matter how you feel about them. No, you should be worried if...
  41. M

    More Model 3 changes and leasing now available

    I honestly don't give a sh!t, because I'm not in the market for a Tesla. Tesla is a business, yes, so you and I agree that they should not have announced the Model 3 at $35K, because they cannot deliver it profitably. My argument for a long time was that they knew they could not do so...
  42. M

    More Model 3 changes and leasing now available

    So you paid at minimum 60% of your annual income on a car? M'kay. As long as you believe in "The Mission", I guess. Dude, saying "if you have $35K then you probably have $45K and thus $55K" is incredibly elitist. It's a statement made without any connection to the reality that a great many...
  43. M

    SR Not Plus Waiting Room

    ^^ This. Both the SR and the SR+ were announced at the same time, yet mysteriously Tesla only applied for certification for the SR+, which it has. If Tesla ever had any intention of producing the SR, they would have certified it at the same time. This is classic bait-and-switch, they used...
  44. M

    More Model 3 changes and leasing now available

    Ugh. This again. Going to go out on a limb here and guess your income is well into six figures. Out amongst us peasants, I'm fairly confident that twenty thousand dollars difference is quite significant to a lot of buyers. If it weren't, there wouldn't be Hyundai Accents sold every day. Or...
  45. M

    More Model 3 changes and leasing now available

    They can pretty much charge whatever they want for unicorn farts, because gullible people still line up to buy them.
  46. M

    More Model 3 changes and leasing now available

    To be frank, you probably can't tell the .3 second difference. And that's massively dependent on conditions such as available grip and state of charge. This is a non-issue in the real world. Everyone on this forum is missing a major point. The SR and the SR+ were announced at the same time...
  47. M

    More Model 3 changes and leasing now available

    I told you so.
  48. M

    You agree to pay a price for your car. Stop complaining here every time Tesla makes price adjustment

    What if he bought his before I bought mine? :D
  49. M

    Tired of having the goal post changed. BS

    @MXWing this makes my day. How I wish I could be so bold. I live amongst my customers however.

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