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I used to trust Musk then we had the idiocy of the yoke released. (At least they've come to their senses and are offering wheels now.) Combine that with the lies about FSD and there is no more trust from me without verification. :)

I think the answer is nobody knows for sure. It is entirely possible that TX folks will get earlier models because of proximity to the factory. It is also, however, very possible that TX's outdated dealer laws will make Tesla shy away from the first releases being near home. (The latest I...

How, in any way shape or form is it more efficient? There is literally nothing that the yoke offers or provides that a wheel cannot also do the same or better. There are many things that a wheel offers that a yoke cannot support. Less functional and less safe is not more efficient.

They already have. The yoke is demonstrably less safe than a wheel.

No, no the charging problem is not changing. Non-Tesla charging networks are basically unusable for distance travel. Unreliable, slow, expensive, etc.

Unknown at this time.

Cruise uses lidar not vision only last I heard. I believe that Cruise is one of the startups that plans on servicing areas not universal. That is night and day different from Teslas plan.

Robotaxi, as discussed, unveiled in 2023 would be the worst timing yet for Tesla products. We are such a huge monumental distance (no pun intended) from actually having level 5 autonomy that a product without wheel/pedals is just a 100% waste at this point.

I am curious to hear as well!

Just to clarify, I was not talking about % of the time, I never said that (others do all the time I know but it was me you quoted :)). I was talking % of the way to completion aka 100% functionality. With that said, I agree completely with your post, well said.

Don't worry robotaxis are at minimum a decade away (and likely much farther). Our entire charging infrastructure nationwide will be completely different before robotaxis are even within sight of reality.

This is exactly the problem with FSD. What people not in software don't realize is that even if you (optimistically IMO) believe that its 90% or even 95% of the way to 100% automation, that's only roughly half (likely less than half) of the total effort needed to achieve level 5. Elon pushing...

There is no line and you have no place in such an imaginary line.

No plug in hybrids have enough range to be significant as electric only (unless you have a ridiculously short commute). On top of that you give up the biggest advantage IMO of a full EV...the maintenance savings. Plug in hybrids are just the worst of both worlds, all the problems of a gas car...

I use my current truck for hauling lumber, sheet goods, yard supplies, and occasional furniture. I will never off-road with it and really have no need to tow when I have a bed. I have a reservation for the cybertruck tri-motor (quad motor now presumably) for the longest range. My alternative...

Based on my experience with software, AI, and vision recognition I fall into the camp that level 5 autonomy needed for robotaxi is not achievable with the current hardware. Realistically I don't see it possible within the next decade even with hardware changes because of the exponential...

Oh yes you only have to look at the disaster that is FSD to see that Elon will never admit a mistake. Did you swap out for the wheel yourself or have someone else do it? I have already planned that if I buy the cybertruck I will have to swap out the idiotic yoke.

First off, I have. It's rubbish. Second, you can sit in literally any car in the world and restrict your hand placement to where the yoke allows and emulate it for testing purposes. Which just gets back to the statements of fact that the yoke offers literally zero benefit, and reduces...

We will have to agree to disagree. I'll put it this way, the yoke has less physical area to hold, when you cannot see the yoke it is not safe to use. Period.

That's not what I said. Edit: oops clicked enter too soon. :) I was calling out towing, you cannot safely backup towing. It is flat out less functional. Why on earth should anyone have a learning curve to compensate for a bad design that offers quite literally zero benefit.

Don't forget you can't use a touch screen with regular gloves. Also the yoke is simply non-functional for anyone who tows.

I'd love to see some numbers on range differences with different wheels/tires. Anyone aware of any comparisions?

Omg I could not agree more. The masses have no clue just how far away a viable unmanned robotaxi actually is.

One thing this thread does, that I find very interesting, is present a well thought out, rational, explanation for why OP does not like the yoke. One thing I have not seen, and I have looked, is any similar argument for why those who do like the yoke prefer it to a wheel. I have found threads...

First, if you look back before global shortages there was still a wait time for Teslas. The demand has undeniably grown from that time. Yes every manufacturer is experiencing wait times but to say that demand for Tesla is an illusion is just deulsional...to an extreme. Second, of course the CT...

The more I have looked into the F150 Lightning the more I just don't think it will meet my needs. I actually was seriously considering it as an alternative to the Cybertruck until the past couple weeks. My biggest concern is still the charging, the non-Tesla networks are just not viable no...

Agreed completely. My opinion is local dealerships are like vampires they suck money from the consumer and provide no real value. Their rude obnoxious haggle negotiation system is outdated and needs to go away. Their repair prices are universally insanely marked up. They provide no actual...

Totally irrelevant to this entire thread. The locations where teslas are practical for distance driving is a superset that fully includes the subset of areas where non-teslas are practical.

Hydrogen is just not a viable option now and it won't be down the road as we continue to shift off of oil. The cost of production vs the returned energy is just not there. Batteries continue to improve and solid state options appear close. Hydrogen is a dead tech already and only a foolish...

Hydrogen is already dead. The only companies even looking into it are doing so under government subsidies. The infrastructure requirements alone make it less viable than battery. Charging will get faster and faster and Tesla supercharging is already fast enough to be entirely comfortable for...

Except the range is garbage and it cannot use superchargers. Charge options for non-Teslas are just not practical for any form of distance driving yet.

And the idea of a yoke makes zero sense in a truck where your driving conditions require a wheel.

When I googled it before I found a couple articles saying it was part of ChargePoint America. As best as I can tell it is just partnerships with the existing charge networks. I welcome any factual corrections. :)

This is absolutely 100% correct. The vast, overwhelming majority (I would guess well over 95%+ of usage) of truck bed usage a 54" bed is *plenty*. My truck's bed is 64" long and I routinely carry 4x8 sheet goods and longer boards without any problem. Having items stick out the back is not...

Thinking that a level 5 autonomy capable vehicle will be usable as a robotaxi in the next decade much less by 2024 is ludicrous. It isn't even laughable because its so dumb.

I used Fox Electric, can't tell you the price as I had other work done as well at the same time.

EVs get plugged in every night and hence being in the garage is far superior to in the street. If it won't fit in the garage I literally cannot buy it because of the distance to the street.

Interesting read, as someone who has extensive experience in software as well as AI, machine learning (including neural networks), but no experience with self-driving, I tend to agree that we are decades away from level 5. One thing that many people don't realize or at least I don't see...

There is a significant difference in the two questions. The yoke is objectively inferior to the wheel. It offers literally zero benefits and several disadvantages (you can argue if those disadvantages and the lower safety are significant or insignificant but they exist). So for someone to...

Not sure which vehicle you were referring to but my understanding is that the Ford will use the electrify america network. To the best of my knowledge that is a pretty broad network but not the most reliable and more expensive than Tesla's. Rivian is building their own network but their map of...

I am literally asking for why someone likes it because I want to see if there is something I have missed. My suspicion is that the only reason anyone has for liking it is that its "cool" or for aesthetic reasons but I want to know if I am missing anything. I have a pre-order for a cybertruck...

I'm not arguing anything, I am looking for *why* anyone likes it. That is asking for information.

Of course there is more stalkless yoke hate. It *is* a serious, significant problem. The more its discussed now the more chance we have of preventing this horrifically terrible idea from proliferating throughout the lineup.

So you have to re-learn how to turn the car is what you are saying. Why do you love the Yoke? What *exactly* does it give you that you don't get with a wheel? Hey its your opinion so just that its different is fine for your reasoning but you have to have some reason. Again, why are you...

Candidly just offering wheel and yoke both as options would be fine as well. Tesla likes to minimize the options in their cars so I don't know how likely that is, but the yoke is an absolutely idiotic idea that should never have seen reality. The best anyone can say about it is its "okay"...

Fleet is a completely separate market than individual purchasers. Fleet buyers won't buy until level 5 is a reality which is well over a decade (likely much farther) away. So irrelevant for the purposes of any short or mid-term discussion.

People in the market for the most budget EV are not the people who will pay for FSD.

There is zero need to "wait and see". It literally is less safe and less functional, that is an objective fact. There are literally no advantages or benefits to it, another objective fact. I don't ever need to even see it in person much less drive it to know this. Re: Saving money we don't...

First, that is not how Tesla's yoke works. Its just a less functional wheel. Second drive by wire yokes are designed for driving under specific scenarios like oh a race track. This is drastically different from regular every day driving. The needs and requirements of the controls are...

My point is that even with level 5 they cannot sell a car without controls! Level 5 is not sufficient for all the things we do with a car. Look at something as simple as replacing your tires (something we Tesla owners need to do often :)) You *must* manually control the car into the bays...