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    Going from a S to a X

    C'mon people, why do I have to correct my own errors? I wrote: Of course, I will, because the Model S has different size wheels and tires now. In fact, the front and rear are now different! The new 19" rims and tires are now a bit wider on the front and even wider on the rear. At least the...
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    Going from a S to a X

    I'm planning on upgrading my 2017 Model S LR to a new Model S LR or maybe a new Model X LR too. I'd go with the 5-seater base model of the Model X because nothing else gets the $7500 tax rebate. Getting to transfer FSD and FUSC and get $1000 off for my Cybertruck reservation is just too good...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Would be nice, but I've tried the tesla.com/tradein page to get the trade-in value of my 2017 Model S with FSD (and FUSC) on 2/3, 2/4 (around mid-day) and just now (after 10PM PST on 2/4). Same result every time. The trade-in value is $20,300 (wow, that's low!) and it says "Includes value of...
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    Riiiiiight. This is the argument of a person who says: "No, let's not do the appendectomy, as the patient will no doubt die someday anyway." And the notion that after 20,000+ dead by Israeli violence that stopping the violence constitutes "rewarding" the victims is beyond ridiculous.
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    Nonsense. The violence is owned by Israel now. At least 99% of all the violence going on is perpetrated by Israel now. If they stop, the violence stops.
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    No, that's just a bizarre belief based on a lifetime of being lied to and believing it. "Other benefactors" include Netanyahu and his cronies. Well documented. (A brief history of the Netanyahu-Hamas alliance | Opinion)
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    I see very little on this thread that isn't just a disingenuous repetition of Israeli propaganda. It's an embarrassment that people here can't admit there's a difference between what is true and what Israel claims. So far as I can tell, the actual truth is that Israel's government consists...
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    And I think it's difficult for partisans to untangle Hamas from Palestinians. Seems like a swamp we needn't wallow in. Personally, I am disgusted with Israel's government, specifically Netanyahu and the religious fanatic parties that support him. I believe they are responsible for murder...
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    Russia/Ukraine conflict

    What's wrong with international waters off of Estonia or Finland? Seems convenient.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    If it's still called a beta (which Teslascope says it is), then I'm expecting to be disappointed. Just like every other time a new, wonderful, amazing version has come out. Been getting updates to Autopilot since 2014, and updates to FSD since it came out. So long as I expect it to be nothing...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    It's not the WSJ that is honest. It's Dan Neil. He's long been the only guy you can believe who writes for the WSJ.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    ... share buybacks... Well, perhaps Vaibhav Taneja wants to start his solo reign as CFO with "something different"? o_O This will be the first earnings report with Zach Kirkhorn no longer around to "ease the transition". It worries me that Zach is gone.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    So what? Nothing I would bother to read. I doubt anybody here would read it except for the purpose of finding out what kind of FUD is being slung now. It's totally irrelevant in forming opinions of Elon other than for credulous fools (none here, right?).
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    You seem to think that people who perceive Elon as insane get there through some manipulation, rather than by reading his posts and listening to what he says. I'm sure that third parties amplify things, but people who have been following Tesla for a long time know very well that you have to...
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    Sadly that "fringe minority" is in Netanyahu's cabinet and is running Israel now. Until they are gone, this horror will continue unabated. It's Netanyahu's war.
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    This seems to be a pretty good primer on the situation in Yemen. https://engelsbergideas.com/essays/the-houthis-forgotten-war-goes-global/ Things seem to be escalating.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    The Cybertruck is way too conventional to stand out at Burning Man. https://sfstandard.com/2023/08/30/burning-man-2023-see-the-cutest-and-wildest-art-cars-cruising-the-playa/ Besides, Burning Man is as non-commercial as possible, so they don't have an "official" anything. As for Mars? I...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Excellent analysis. Personally I would be shocked if Elon hadn't tried all the drugs mentioned and more. He makes a habit of being an "anything you can do I can do more extremely" kind of guy. But I would also be surprised if he has any sort of drug "problem" (meaning addiction). Although I...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    A prime example of the sort of garbage FUD I don't bother even looking at any more.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Yup, agreed. But as it's a weekend, I'll respond to your other points. Sure. He praises his teams, he talks about what his businesses have done and will do. He answers questions about his businesses, etc. That's the stuff he should be talking about. And then he talks about things about...
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    Not receiving loyalty credits and Tesla is telling me to kick rocks

    If you were already a Tesla vehicle owner with an account when you bought it, they should have. If you were not, and got a referral, then you should have gotten a referral discount. As it's a fairly new thing, they might have screwed up if your situation is weird. Let us know how it turns out...
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    Not receiving loyalty credits and Tesla is telling me to kick rocks

    No, not there. Take a look at the final price sheet for your vehicle. On the tesla.com website, your account dashboard. You should see "1. Total Vehicle Price" with sections A, B, and C. Section C should have your loyalty credit as "C. Other: Order Adjustment". You should also see "B...
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    Not receiving loyalty credits and Tesla is telling me to kick rocks

    For me, the loyalty credit showed up as a referral credit. Since you get only one or the other, it doesn't really matter what they call it. So you might want to check to see if you got a referral credit.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Uh, no. They are annoyed because as Elon has revealed who he is, it turns out he's a great engineer but a despicable human being.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Really? Are you sure? I think you haven't any better idea than anyone who isn't a securities lawyer. You are leaving out a ton of things that are probably necessary for the funding to truly be secured. It probably needs to be in escrow, or guaranteed by a third party or something like that...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Because "secured" is a term of art in SEC land, implying various conditions have been met (like a signed contract). Elon was likely unaware of those technicalities when he posted, using "secured" as an ordinary English word. In any case, he could have easily gotten the money from several...
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    Tesla Unionization

    So long as this thread is pretty much about the strike in Sweden, I think that it would be much more useful if Americans who are ignorant of European culture, law, and norms simply stop posting anything other than simple questions. The opinions expressed in such posts are worthless. "Rah, rah...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I rented an X back in the summer of 2017 when I was trying to decide whether upgrading my 2014 Model S would result in a new Model S or X. After a bit over a week driving the X around Vermont I decided on an S, partly because I didn't see that an X would be as good a vehicle for ski trips, but...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    For anyone with a library, the book is free, regardless of format. Of course you may have to wait a bit, but if you haven't read it yet that's obviously not a problem.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    It is rather bizarre to think that anybody needs to rely on anybody other than Elon to paint a picture of what Elon thinks. He posts constantly on X. And developing a hatred for what he says isn't hard at all.
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    FTFY
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    This past March I brought my Model 3 in to service because it was making a squeaking noise in the front. They replaced both front upper control arms. Parts cost was $90 each. Labor was no charge. Given it's a 2017 Model 3 with a bit over 50K miles, long out of warranty, I was surprised...
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    And I'm pretty certain that all those on this thread who support Israeli actions do so because they've been lied to all their lives and therefore have no clue what's going on over there.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Argue all you like. But I chose FSD for $7K and my reservation number is about 800,000 from the start. Just how low a take rate are you imagining that would make the 1,000 Foundation Series vehicles somehow get to people that low down on the list? That's just fantasy. But, of course, there...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/best-western-to-add-tesla-chargers-at-hotels-across-north-america/ It's soon going to be super easy to rent an EV and not even have to think about charging. There's nothing better than charging while you sleep.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Doesn't Elon say "Fiction is easy; reification is hard."? Or something like that.
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    This sounds like nonsense to me. Sure, Tesla is giving themselves until March to deliver the Foundation series trucks. It might take that long, especially if the Beast is harder to get right or has some part that isn't ready yet. But that doesn't mean that if they're ready to deliver in...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-problems-twitter-x-tesla-gamble-luck-run-out-2023-12 For those of you into self-flagellation, Linette Lopez has her usual mashup of lies, innuendo, BS, and fantasy available over at Business Insider. It's a hoot. Did you know that Tesla's profits are...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    No, for anybody getting a Foundation Cybertruck, FSD was bought for $7000. If they wait and get a regular Cybertruck, that's what they'll pay. So knock $5000 off your estimate of savings. And, of course, if they didn't order and don't want FSD, then knock off even more. I didn't order my...
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    And a follow-up. https://contendingmodernities.nd.edu/global-currents/statement-of-scholars-7-october/ Statement of Scholars in Holocaust and Genocide Studies on Mass Violence in Israel and Palestine since 7 October ... We, scholars of the Holocaust, genocide, and mass violence, feel compelled...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Yup. Another reason you need that 500 mile range battery.
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    Blog Boring Company Opens Vegas Loop

    Is there any site that maintains up-to-date and (more) complete information on the Boring Company projects? I'd like to see the current state of the Las Vegas Loop. What's current status on tunnels and stations? What's next? What's the long-term schedule? What TBMs are currently deployed...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    No, it was Elon failing at pretending to be a righteous human being (at least the first part of the interview). If Elon is even trying to use first principles reasoning to guide his behavior (which I seriously doubt), it isn't working. Elon at his best is doing engineering, walking the...
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    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I heard what he said. I don't believe it. Sadly, most of what Elon says regarding X has been lies. Unlike Tesla and SpaceX, where we see many overoptimistic predictions but no lies.
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    Raz Segal - an Israeli associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University in the US, gives a rather dry, legalistic (international law), and academic analysis of the situation in Israel/Gaza. Summary: Israel is engaged in genocide.
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    That's what it's like when you try to be reasonable when discussing things with a partisan. You should try taking your own advice, but I suspect you are incapable of that. Atheists don't kill people because their religion is wrong. That turns out to be the cause of most wars, so, yeah, that...
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    Nonsense. The best thing that could happen for all of his companies is for Elon to STFU and go back to doing engineering and financial management full time. Getting told off by the White House and marking himself by his speech as unacceptable in polite company is not the behavior of a leader...
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    Israel/Hamas conflict

    Yeah. It's a continuation of Musk's despicable and irresponsible behavior. The Tesla board should remove him from his CEO position ASAP; it's their fiduciary responsibility to shareholders at this point. There are people all over social media calling for boycotts of all of Musk's companies.