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True. Another advantage of an older Model S (pre 2017) is that you can get actual leather seats. I personally find the leather way more comfortable than the vegan leather they use now.

If you're used to German build quality / materials , you'll probably be disappointed. I check out new Teslas periodically (probably a few times a year), and, without trying, I find lots of stuff that would irritate me as an owner. This guy (I think he's Swiss) also had a German car (audi)...

I guess it depends on how well the current version of the car meets your needs/wants. Are there any features it lacks that, if introduced in the next year would bum you out for not having waited (opening sunroof, etc)? Personally, I have a list of about 10 things I'm waiting for. I'm fine...

So bizarre how they're willing to implement anything but a functioning music player

Yep. Doug Demuro wrote an article on this a while back- pointing out that the Model S competitors are not the 7 series/ S class but rather the 5 series / E class: Autotrader - page unavailable Tesla started the S class comparison when the S was introduced and they had their "residual value...

Tesla themselves want almost that much for a 2016 90D so that sure seems like a good deal!

Was just thinking about this today when I received an email from Tesla promoting the free supercharging on the S. Sure, free supercharging is nice, but that doesn't really scratch the surface of what holds me back: 1. It's way overpriced. The S should have a starting price around where the 3...

Indeed. Sets a bad precedent as well. I mean, what's to stop them from disabling other software-enabled features such as AP if/when they so choose.

Yep. Plus regarding the comment above on Tesla using Linux vs QNX- current JLR infotainment systems run Linux and they have Android Auto and Carplay. Even if Musk has a big problem with Carplay and AA, Tesla could atleast improve their BT audio integration (for example, allowing browsing of...

Congrats! Curious what the indicated range was when you charged it 90% (or 100%)

For sure- was Fair enough-for me the highest priorities for an infotainment system are nav, phone and media integration. And even just in those areas I think BMW (as well as the latest MB and Audi systems) are ahead. Games and Youtube are cool to show friends, but don't add much to the daily...

Have you driven a recent BMW? If Tesla ditched their infotainment/cluster and replaced it with BMW's current one it would be vast improvement. Imagine being able to: -browse playlists/albums/artists on your phone via BT or USB connection -Scroll through/select track or stations using the...

Yeah I've noticed that too. Tesla's used program was and continues to be insane. It's almost like they really dont want to sell cars.

Easiest way to tell v1 vs v2 is whether there are cameras embedded in the B pillars. Since you're looking at a 2016, v2 is the highest version of the hardware it could have (which is good since I dont think there's an easy way to tell v2, 2.5 and 3 apart). I believe 2.5 is the minimum for sentry...

I think the easter eggs started as a lark (probably Elon's idea given his goofy personality), but then they realized it was generating tons of free marketing for them, so they kept doing it (and now with a business case behind it). Overall, I think Tesla's approach to software development is...

Except that, as of now, Teslas seem to require as many if not more service visits as traditional ICE cars.

Been looking for similar specs too. In theory, a 16 75D with those options should be right around that price. But they're strangely hard to find.

Nice writeup. The "voicemail full" seems to be de rigueur these days. Guess they dont want to set expectations too high for customer service.

the i3 might *seem* flimsy but its actually made of carbon fiber - giving it a very strong structure. Here's the iihs crash results (which include the small overlap test that the Model S did not fair well in). Not going to disagree on the seats and the looks are not to my taste. 2018 BMW i3...

Yeah- there was a period where if you ordered cloth you got the old style seats. Forgot that they still did that even post refresh.

Being able to find out the history of your car from Tesla might in and of itself be another perk of buying a used Tesla from a 3rd party.

The 14 might have better build quality since they improved a lot during the earlier years. But, the performance difference will be quite noticeable. There's a guy with a Youtube channel about his P85 (cars and kyle or something like that), and he recently got a regular 85 as a loaner--seemed...

I haven't dug into the details of this report, but atleast one issue is that they are using ASP - used price to calculate depreciation for the Tesla and MSRP - used price to calculate it for the other cars. So it's not apples to apples since the ASP for the other cars was likely lower than MSRP...

Tesla and Musk certainly don't seem to operate under the constraints of morality though.

Thats great. Did they give you any details as to when your money would be refunded?

Yep. I think Porsche is the only one that still offers a decent CPO program.

True- but you dont see the same of volume of negative buying stories (both new and used), on similar forums for other brands. And when they do, it's usual complaints paying more than they would've liked, a-hole finance managers, etc. Very rare to consistently hear of cars delivered...

I remember seeing some spec for the minimum tread depth that they'd sell a used car with - you might be able to find it if you search around here. That being said, they're quite tight lipped about the whole inspection process so it's probably just going to come down to whether your particular...

So..what are you suggestions for "fixing" the problem?

Having read enough of these delivery horror stories, I"ve noticed a pattern where when the delivery center tries to insist that you sign the papers before seeing the car it's almost always a bad sign. For posterity, here's a summary of some of the lessons I've gleaned from reading these...

Regarding the blind spot monitoring- have you tried Tesla's system? It's not as good as what's available in most other cars (with a warning light in the side mirrors). You have to look at the instrument cluster to see it. Yeah it will be interesting to see what happens with the Tesla used...

Ha- yeah that's the response I would've expected from them on this issue- stonewalling. So it's great that the OP atleast got someone to look into it. Will be interesting to see if he gets a response from "corporate" on this.

Not sure why everyone keeps saying that the Taycan has no viable L3 charging network. VW is building out an L3 network through its "Electrify America" diesel-gate penance project. Plus the Taycan will be about charge at higher speeds (up to 350KW if recall correctly).

They definitely the "vegan leather" that Tesla began using across the line in mid 2017. Tesla no longer offers real leather seats in any cars.

True- but they have a LONG way to go to catch up with Porsche when it comes to build quality, reliability, customer service, etc.

Oh wow. That sucks. I thought that all facelift "D" cars were uncorkable. Yet another potential landmine for those trying to navigate the Tesla used car swamp.

I believe the S requires a glass or pano roof (due to the location of the antenna mount) + UHFS to support native Sirius XM. Now that those items are standard so is Sirius XM. For some reason, Tesla never really made it clear as to which options you needed to have in order to get Sirius. They...

I don’t think the service center staff will care about threats of legal action - it doesn’t affect them at all plus they have no say in these decisions. If they don’t replace your screen you definitely should ask your attorney to send corporate a strongly worded letter.

Yep. In most cases, dealers have an incentive to advocate for you to get defects covered under warranty since they get reimbursed for doing the work. Plus, you can always try a different dealer if you receive subpar service. Since Tesla owns all their service centers it's effectively a monopoly...

It's still listed on teslastats but when I click on the link I get redirected to new inventory in my area. Assuming that means it's gone although usually I see a message that the car is no longer available: | Tesla Very useful info in this thread since this is the first i've heard that they...

Agreed. Tesla used pricing makes no sense right now. Only theory seems to be Tesla wants to steer people to new cars to boost quarterly numbers. Seen a bit like a conspiracy theory though. Given how inept Tesla is at used car sales I guess it’s no surprising the pricing would make no sense...

Odd that Tesla isn't doing more to differentiate the S. Sounds like it's basically becoming the "long wheelbase hatchback" version of the 3. Kind of like BMW 3 series GT was to the regular 3 series. When the Y arrives, the difference will basically come down to better looks. That might be...

Nice! Would you mind sharing the details? I know Tesla has been strict about leasing discounted inventory cars (last I read the max discount they'd allow off original MSRP was 26k).

The new Panamera doesn't have all the hard buttons though (they use touch-sensitive "haptic" buttons instead)

When it comes to teslas, I think the biggest difference is due to wheel size.

Great find! Any idea what the original msrp was or how to find the original msrp?

Wow- I haven't seen a 100D for under 76k. Inventory pricing is truly a mystery with a wide spread for no rhyme or reason. 63k blows my mind though- I just don't understand how/why. Even crazier is that if you removed the 21s, you could possibly get a an additional 4500 off. So following you...

Well said. Deciding to charge customers (especially your high-end customers) for a blatant defect on a car under warranty just speaks to gross mismanagement and incompetence. Sure, maybe they'll save a few bucks now but they are doing tremendous damage to their reputation. The only possible...

Was it $11k off the original MSRP or 11k off the current price of a Long Range? Some of the discounted cars I've seen are oddly close in price to the updated pricing on new orders.

I've done it 3 times with BMW (twice picking up in Germany and once picking up at a US dealer 600 miles away) and the experience has always been outstanding. Cars were perfectly prepared and delivered exactly when they said it would (When taking delivery in Germany they schedule it down to the...