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What Elon says isnt often correct. Also, it's funny to me that some problems are like "we can totally fix that; programmers are idiots if they can't figure it out!" and others are "its so confusing..." I mean, it's code. They can figure it out. From a simple project management standpoint...

This is actually one of the reasons I advocated for FSD license to be tied to the user and not the car. Unless you believe Elon Time - and FSD is "done soonish" - there is no way the hardware will meet expectation by the time the product is completed. There are a ton of little things that...

I signed. This is one of the many problems I have with FSD. Insurance covers the car as a piece of hardware. You can literally build 100% of the car for 15k less than a car with FSD. FSD is just software enablement. Yet as a totaled car, you only get the value of the FSD at best, not FSD...

Sonar works even if someone sticks gum on your camera, or rain, or snow, or.... Also every single reliable, good, mission-critical, life-protecting safety mechanism on planet earth comes with redundancy. Sonar + Vision is reassuring because one works when the other doesn't and they...

I don't know what country Elon really lives in, but to me the labeling is bad to the level of unusable. Practical, real-world, L5 ready labeling would include emergency vehicles, line markings, school zones, crosswalks, sign reading, languages, flags for construction zones, etc. Very little of...

Elon has stated that he doesn't believe in solving technology problems in the ways that are obvious. And that makes it infuriating at times. For example, Mythbusters proved that the faster you go in rain, the more wet you get. Yet when you're in a Tesla and you speed up from 0-60 at a freeway...

I abhor that insurance companies will not replace/refund FSD which is "part of the car" (look, that's an argument in and of itself but lets let that lie for the moment using either path you state), so from a liability standpoint we as consumers suffer for any accidents. If it's really part of...

You're obfuscating the point. It doesn't matter that OEMs exist or not exist, Windows has a transferrable license and we have choice in the matter. I don't want to draw these comparisons because ultimately that is an independant vendor deal and you have choice where we have in this comparison...

It's a problem for me. I don't have 12k to spend every time I want a new Tesla with FSD. Do you? Great. I think even the most elitist and rich amongst this crew would agree, however, that paying 12k for every new Tesla they might acquire is excessive and without a proposed alternative like...

If you're a technologist, FSD is a nice experiment. There are much better ways to spend $12k. People who claim you can relax once you get to know it are well aware that with every beta cycle you again are not relaxed. I don't want to be in my car and treat it like I'm teaching my teenager to...

Again, this is all solved by making FSD tied to the owner. The only reason this complaint exists is due to the idea/principle that because you're paying for FSD for THAT car, THAT car should always have it even beyond YOUR ownership. You're right in your claim, but the real double-dip here is...

Lots of companies do this, but in a more mature way. For example: I own ProductX. It requires HardwareY. I can have a license forever for ProductX on any machine that has HardwareY. Vendor improves ProductX to X.1. It now has new features that requires HardwareZ. I can be limited in my...

Tesla: I would pay money for highways + lane changes, please make this happen. However, I keep being asked if I would buy FSD, and the short and sweet answer is that I refuse to pay money that adds stress to my life. The moment Tesla is liable for accidents (real level 5 FSD), I'll pay out...

There's a reason why pilots and doctors wear suits and ties. It's not because they need to, it's because the perception of professionality and attention to minor details increases confidence. I won't consider FSD because Tesla can't even figure out how to handle wiper blades while speeding...

Logically there has to be an available option to upgrade to the new FSD computer, if a subscription to FSD is made available, as you cannot use FSD on a 2.5 computer. Purchasing outright the 10k FSD upgrade gets you the computer, which is an option for some/most/all of the Model 3 owners like...

I'm sorry but when it comes to software, we can always assume (always!) that there will be people who expect license transfer, because it's a completely reasonable precedent. Tesla is in a somewhat unique position here, but I think it's totally and absolutely fair to say that it doesn't have to...

I know that many people are software licensing savvy in this thread, and I'm of the opinion that buying a significant software purchase that ties it to the hardware is painful. It definitely should be per-account. And if it were per-account, I would buy it. The problem that Tesla has right...

Here's the problem I have with FSD a la carte ... not everyone has HW3.0 so they would have to provide a HW3.0 upgrade adhoc as well.

Works fully, with no issues!

I'm on the "most likely no" option but I'll look at more videos today to see if something just pushes my logic-brain to the curb. The problem is the price is going up way too fast with way too little features actually really available to end-users, and really as good as it is, I keep thinking...

For those of you who pull the trigger on this, please let us know if you currently have HW2.5 and if there is a HW3.0 upgrade with it. That's a substantial motivator for me, and I assume for others as well.

...happy sight (on this site maybe). :)

Proof is in your picture. What's the price of Windows 10 home (139 list price)? It's free on the list, because it's included in the price from Dell, and near zero cost to Dell (from MS). Pro retail price is $199. Upgrade is 60 because Dell proxies all of the support and also gets a discount...

Ok, so I should timebox my statements -- it is impossible to get a Tesla Model 3 today that isn't fully FSD capable with all of the hardware necessary. I agree this isn't possible in the past.

That's OEM reseller prices. I have worked for several OEMs. The prices are usually flat-rate and very low especially with larger vendors, lower than what you see resold to customers. There are reasons why these vendors have direct deals that are sealed. But that's not topically relevant to...

Not an appropriate example. OEM costs for Windows (to the vendor) are near zero and baked into the cost of purchasing a PC. That's why it is tied. If you buy a new full priced Windows off the shelf you can transfer it. Upgrading an OEM carries the OEM license, which means it's...

That's not the point. The point is that whether you have FSD or Autopilot, the same hardware is there. I didn't imply that or mean to imply that. If you buy a new Tesla M3 right now you have HW3.0 and cameras available (arguably - some cars still come with 2.5 but I defer that argument) for...

That is flat out not true. With the exception of modernizing and upgrading the CPU from (HW2.5 or whatever to 3.0), if you order a Tesla M3 with nothing else, simply Autopilot -- purchasing FSD requires absolutely no hardware changes in your car. It's entirely software. It's not a charity...

No matter how the random elements of the FSD issue lands, I absolutely hate that it requires a multi-thousand dollar investment where we are constantly reminded that the price rises, and to "Buy now, before it's too late!!" It's just snarky. It's the least sexy thing about Tesla. Considering...

That is very awesome thank you!

FWIW it's the sound of the car waking up, so something is triggering. This isn't a blame post, I'm just saying that sound itself is normal and related to the wake-up event (I can immediately replicate on my car) so if your car is doing that regularly it needs some review as to cause. Sounds...

Curious about the chrome delete on Model Y, and there's some delicate-ness to this question. The "chrome delete" sections are covered in transit with tape, implying that they are somehow more delicate than the actual car paint. Is that a latex or paint cover over an underlying base chrome...

The answer to this question inevitably comes down to almost a turf war over what storage is best to be used for the Tesla. Since we can't modify the Tesla firmware or code, nor is there a switch for "stop telling me my storage is slow", the only real Captain Obvious answer here is to either...

Source? Curious. The only thing I've heard about is that they're working on a code rewrite internally to directly take advantage of HW3.0 but no specific data.

It doesn't hurt to ask. But it'll eventually happen. Honestly, you can always ask in the service ticket, but at least in this case it doesn't sound like "Me wants latest update NOW" request like I always want to do in impatient-mode -- you can just say "I had this and lost it in my hardware...

Random question here, but when I look at Carmax there was no option to provide "FSD" as a value, so how does that factor into trade-ins? Does that depreciate with the car value or have people found that it is equivalent or close to the 7k value we have to buy now? I guess this also applies to...

Congrats on everything! For what it's worth the 14-50 is cheap until you factor in work that potentially needs to be done on the circuit breaker and the length of the line needed to be run and the complexities of that line. I think mine was $500 but I also needed to run the line through...

I was in the first few months of owning my M3 SR+ and I was reading the threads about testing the battery charge, and how to reset it's presented maximum charge. The chargers around me were maxed out at 72kw but there was one down the highway that was 150kw. I used the map and navigated to it...

Thanks for that. My point still stands, unfortunately. I don't think anyone wants that awful interface to replace our maps. :(

Charging to 100% is only considered harmful if not consumed reasonably rapidly. It's only about long-term health as well -- there's no harm in and of itself charging to 100%. For road trips, that's precisely when you want to - time permitting - do this. I would always aim to charge to 80% on...

I'd prefer they charge money vs the requirements they make the vendors adhere to for carplay viability. I've never seen half-integration of Carplay in any unit. So in other words, if you want Carplay, you might as well turn off the Tesla screen and have it be all Apple. Not going to happen -...

Disagree. Here's why it's wrong though -- because there are several threads, including ones by me, talking about this. Everyone knows that the brake pedal stops the car. Captain Obvious, right? So even if you have AP/NOA on, you have all these warnings saying you must be prepared to stop at...

As statistics go, a random sample of a majority is usually a reasonable representation of the majority, with all factors being generally equal -- that is the case here. If ~10% of TeslaFi got the patch, then ~10% of the world got it too. If you looked at TeslaScope you see close to the the...

According to @RTPEV if you disable NOA in settings, the button goes away when navigating. That's all I really wanted... it really just obfuscates the point that NOA is available to the casual observer by the removal of the omnipresent NOA button when navigating.

You picked the wrong car if you don't like updates. I tell people that Tesla is first and foremost a technology company that happens to make cars -- as opposed to the "other guys" who make cars and seem to dabble in the technology. So your Tesla is riddled with tech that always needs updates...

First, thank you both for your experiences. I've been considering FSD and while I understand the mechanics of it my tech-head has been wondering about some of these things. The only underlying question I have is still - if you disable NOA in settings, does the NOA button still show up while...

First, when you navigate to a destination, what really is the point of the "Navigate on Autopilot" button? It seems as if you still have to press down twice on the stalk to engage autonomy in any scale, but the button seems to have only one function, and that's just to show which parts of the...

It depends on what is going on. Front left is the default view, rear left is when you're charging it. It's kind of difficult to see but it's really showing the cable and the port light (at least in ios). I believe it will actually show doors opened live as well, sometimes they're difficult to...

"A few"? It wouldn't be a news story if it weren't like days or weeks of production lines with HW2.5. Also there's a nasty case of assumptions on this board about what is stated (by Elon) vs the actual real truths. If you don't order FSD, there's still a chance you'll get HW2.5, even now...

If you bought it, schedule service in your app, ask for it. No harm. As per the thread above, people are getting lucky. The consensus is that there isn't a VIN restriction anymore, and it's more based upon the speed and availability of your service center. I doubt anyone is going to reach...