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the last time i used a jeep to get some dinosaur embryos to a ship in a rainstorm i went off road and got attacked by a Dilophosaurus. hopefully i'll have better luck in the cybertruck

no one is being fooled. not sure why you seem to believe everyone but you thinks 187,000 pre-orders translates to that many orders in the end. personally i ordered two. when i saw the tri was going to be released a year later i also ordered a dual also to give myself time to decide

i hope they do it. i'd definitely be in

no, not those

yeah, i spent $20k on these batteries and only use them for 2-3 hrs/day. ah well..

this is more than i pay during off grid use. so it's better for me to use my battery and solar during peak energy costs (3pm to 8pm in Az), then during off peak just use the grid as much as possible rather than run my batteries down to 0. anyone else doing this? when i first got my solar...

anyone know what's going on with their socks? i ordered some about a year ago and loved them. they were cheap and as good as the Under Armour expensive socks i got previously. 50% Polyester/35% Cotton/13% Poly Span/2% Rubber they have been sold out in Large for awhile. anyone know if they're...

^ thanks. how would i turn it down??

2014 model S P85+ it's got an upgraded charger, i get 58 miles per hour of charging. has worked flawlessly for the past 18mo but the last 2 days has tripped the breaker as you can see the handle is loose. would that be enough to cause the problem? will Tesla come out and fix that??

I love it. for that car I'd pony up and be one of the first to receive delivery

well said

interesting about the signature angst some people had. I thought the model S signature simply cost them more up front. I didn't realize the total cost of the vehicle was more too. I'm #692 for the model X and was thinking about upgrading to the signature soon. I don't think i'll be doing...

whatever happened to buying Karma bodies and putting corvette engines in them? is that still on the table?

if the model S looked like this (which i was hoping for) i'd own one already. instead I switched my reservation to the X and im still hoping that will be more aggressive looking like the X6 too

cool!!! it's about flippin time. if they'd done that in the first place they'd probably still be around. hopefully they can improve the interior too. I already like what they've done w the front end. major improvement..

i love it. i did the same thing w my company... on a MUCH smaller scale however!! i put every last thousand into mine!! hahahhaa!!!! anyway, sorry for getting off topic. also, i dont see much point in continuing the DOE/fisker discussion. my assessment is obviously different than a lot...

^^^ yes im serious, mate. what he said made me feel secure as an investor. i wasnt aware of any of the above. and, no, my confidence in tesla wasnt only based on what he said. it was cool to hear but i would've invested in them even if he didnt say that. so yeah, i have no problem whatsoever...

i agree, it's ez to say in hindsight. i was saying when it wasnt in hindsight. and it depends how you define high risk. ok, they're all high risk, but some are more than others. when tesla wasnt doing well elon made a statement that he would keep tesla going even using his own funds. that...

i believe my binary argument is indeed supported by enough facts that telsa is angelic and fisker is and always was crap. i dont agree at all w the way you look at the situation. i know there's nothing illegal about koehler asking for money. it just shows they shouldnt have lent money to a...

ipdamages, im going to disagree with just about everything you said there. i see things much much differently. one thing ive learned from the videos doug posted is that, indeed, it's not about fisker. they dont care about him at all. it's about the DOE so we're in agreement there. there's...

im not understanding where you're coming from thinking that if someone doesnt think fisker should've gotten a loan then tesla or any of the others shouldnt have either. i think tesla should've gotten the loan and fisker shouldnt have. in fact, ive invested tens of thousands of dollars of my...

wow, those were good clips. thx for sharing. i especially enjoyed VP joe referring to the DOE fisker loan: "...seed money that will return to the consumer billions and billions and billions of dollars and new jobs!!!" hahahahhahahaha!!!!!!!!!! the more i hear about how they got their loan...

yeah, pretty bland looking car for a mercedes. i would've expected better too..

exactly. thank you. - - - Updated - - - yes to both, thank you.

well, not to change the subject too much to a political debate but i think the obama administration deserves a huge slap in the face for lending fisker money. lending $ for a fancy chevy volt that few people can afford was pretty stupid.

^ very cool. this will be my first test drive of any Tesla. looking forward to it even tho i switched my reservation to the X.

trivial nonsense?? i dunno bout that. the government can do some nasty things. if they find he was dishonest about the company's future in order to secure a loan who knows what they'll do. i bet he'll be there w a team of lawyers. you dont want to be in trouble w the government. they have...

im scheduled for friday at 10am

yeah, now there's about 25 of them on ebay last i looked. some w only a couple hundred miles for a good $30k off..

you're taking him too literally. of course he didnt expect trunk space and interior space to be upgraded at all. the point he was making is that those are some lousy things about the car that hurt sales overall and can never get better. and you say they were known commodities going in. were...

interesting perspective, thx for sharing. i wonder how the karma would've done if just went w a straight ICE engine and skipped all the green stuff. trying to jam all that stuff in there seemed like it made the car cramped, too heavy, and not even very green. everything got compromised. it...

back in the day an automobile with a design like that lambo crossover suv was called a "car".

i dont believe so, fred (imo). they were in direct competition w each other. not to mention that fisker sucked up a lot of private funding that potentially could have gone tesla's way... had fisker not been around. elon certainly had no good things to say about their car or company and, as...

im glad to hear that you're enjoying your karma, dennis! :smile: ive never driven any of the 4 brands of cars that you've mentioned. indeed, a car's handling comes down to personal opinion. i would think it would be hard to compare the two, however, since the karma doesnt have the...

i dont think the karma had much potential for anything. i didnt see it as being much different than a chevy volt except 2-3x more expensive and performed no better, wasnt any greener, it only looked better. as someone else said in another thread, they didnt bring anything new to the table...

my thoughts too. green people are a different bunch. they're more interested in being green than style. fisker never understood that. his car is all style. "Geely wanted to wait until Fisker declared bankruptcy so it could get a good deal on the company, say sources" hahahahahaha!!!!!

do you have a good side view of the white version with the doors down and closed?

wow!!! at least it wasnt 100% of his live savings

^ i was wondering the same thing. and what were those people thinking??? did they really research tesla and fisker and decide they'd rather invest in fisker???? they must feel so sick about it right now. "A fool and his money are soon parted." - Thomas Tusser

i dont think it has. im really not on this forum very often. the people that are into being green and EVs and solar panels (like myself) are a different group of people. - - - Updated - - - exactly! they're the bottom of the barrel! it's better to lose the worst in the group. they're...

well, im still going to disagree. i think (IMO!) fisker was the bottom of the barrel EV/hybrid or whatever it was. (i know how the motor worked i just dont know what it's classified as). i think they brought everyone down w such a crappy product that wasnt even terribly green and was...

i totally agree. the x6 looks like it has some major balls. much more aggressive and masculine looking than the current model x design. i wanted the performance model of the model x to be more ballsy like the x6...

well, maybe i'll be the only one to disagree here. i dont see how fisker going under or defaulting on their loan will hurt Tesla or its sales. i dont see any parallel relationship at all. they're not connected like the big 3 were when they got their bail outs. people that dont know the...

bwahahahhahahahahahahaahhaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! probably only elon is laughing more than me..

i was driving to work last week and saw a black one turning east from 7th ST onto Thunderbird RD. so someone's got one..

wow, talk about hyperbolic conclusions. 10 cars deep??? im definitely not seeing that. but thx anyway for your "help".

the point i was making was that if one caught fire and then started the rest on fire, then why didnt that happen to the toyotas? they had thousands of cars parked an inch away from each other. the karmas were parked closer together than the toyotas? and it's still just as likely that all...

i said 20 or so. it was a guesstimate from looking at the pic. i should've clarified that. ok, 30 karmas? "it looks like one caught on fire and the rest were parked too close"????????????????????? uh yeah, can you confirm your source on that one that that's exactly what happened???? or...

^ 4,000 toyotas damaged doesnt mean ANY of them caught on fire. so 3 toyotas out of thousands caught on fire and a few "started smoldering". but 16 karmas burned completely out of 20 or so??? sounds like it was mostly specific to the karma