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    Model S range and interior update imminent?

    I just can't see a situation where the Plaid and other S trims don't come with a significant update inside and out. The roadster will not come close to replacing the S when it's price-point launches it into super/hypercar territory, while the Model S remains at a price-point of similarly...
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    Free SuperCharging Gone for CPO

    Buying used through Tesla at this point is only worth it for the warranty, and if the vehicle is newer. Paying thousands more for an older Model S through Tesla will likely only carry a 2 year warranty that expire at 100k miles. When you consider they won’t refurbish their used models and now...
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    Used price > New

    The Model X seems to hold its value well but we also only have 1 wave of leases available from 2016 and there weren’t very many updates to the vehicle until this year. I expect a hard reset in the used market for the X over the next year or so. Especially as you start seeing more sales on on...
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    Exterior refresh by this year?

    I’m sure within the next year we see something change with the S and the X. I doubt it will be very drastic but I always feel like after Elon denies something, it ends up happening. These are high margin cars for Tesla and even thought they don’t make as many, they’re not going to be neglected...
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    Used price > New

    They definitely screwed up the pricing of their used/pre-raven vehicles after the price changes. Even before they were sort of questionable relative to the cost of a new raven vehicle but now it makes 0 sense. I also noticed they removed free supercharging from all their old legacy vehicles...
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    Blog Motor Trend Calls Model S “Ultimate Car of the Year”

    Honestly, this was sort of my motivation for buying my used 2013 P85. This is a vehicle that 6 years later still turns heads and offers technology and performance that 99% of brand new cars on the market still can’t compete with. The only thing that outperforms this car is newer Tesla’s...
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    Model S CPO Unusually Low Inventory

    I believe a large part of the inventory issue mentioned in the OP has to do with sellers dealing with other companies/dealers when they decide to get rid of their car. Companies like carmax, Vroom, or Carvana will often pay sellers more than Tesla will for their car, and from a buyer...
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    Blog Motor Trend Calls Model S “Ultimate Car of the Year”

    Important to note the winner is the 2013 Model S. In doing this, they made the 2013 Model S their car of this decade, and then it won head to head with all other “car of the year” models going back 70 years. It’s very impressive, but an early Model S still offers tech and performance that 99%...
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    Tesla buy back my Model S 2018, should I get another Model S?

    Going from a low volume car manufacturer to a mass produced company is why service centers are probably packed to the gills. A Tesla could have the most flawless record on the market, but the sheer math is against them. The company went from producing 20000 cars in a year to over 20000 cars a...
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    Tesla buy back my Model S 2018, should I get another Model S?

    Your experience is purely anecdotal. It’s probably pretty hard to grasp what the true experience is for the average car buyer of any vehicle. Especially on the Internet, where people that do have an issue are a lot more likely to come and talk about it versus folks whose cars run perfectly, and...
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    Carvana Buying Experience

    Yeah it’s totally not accurate. Until you get prequalified the numbers on their loan calculator are outrageous, even after you adjust your income. Once I actually did the prequalification my minimum downpayment went down to 0 and the interest rate improved. Obviously everyone is different but...
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    Tesla buy back my Model S 2018, should I get another Model S?

    Woof. Your experience is very atypical from most owners of any car brand, let alone Tesla. The fact that they’re buying it back is telling enough. I would guess that experience puts you in the 0.1%? IMHO it’s your call. If you love the S, I would give it another go since you definitely got a...
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    Carvana Buying Experience

    Absolutely this. My battery had 35% charge on it and it was a huge concern for me before I picked it up having heard others with similar warnings here. My car was in their system for just a week when I placed my order and I waited another 4 days for delivery so a percentage or two of phantom...
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    Carvana Buying Experience

    This can be hit or miss. I read in here that depending on the Tesla rep, you may or may not get this info divulged. I’ve read people have more success at service centers, but it was all done after the purchase.
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    Carvana Buying Experience

    I will add that it wasn’t possible for me to ascertain if there was any battery degeneration on the car from Carvana, but knowing how stable these batteries are, I wasn’t really worried, and that portion of the car if the battery is bad is still under warranty by Tesla. Thankfully, the car has...
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    Carvana Buying Experience

    Thanks. I’m very conscious of the issues you mentioned and actually checked all of that before I even left the Carvana lot since I knew I had a long drive ahead of me, and thankfully no issues. I also lucked out that the previous owner left a mobile charger for me as well as an adapter for...
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    Carvana Buying Experience

    This was originally my intent because of wanting the CPO but the one I was going to buy from them only had 2 years 100k miles on it and cost nearly $10k more with more mileage. For about $4500 if I desire I can buy a 4 year warranty from X-care that still runs through Tesla repair shops and...
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    Carvana Buying Experience

    Thanks! I live in El Paso, TX and drove to Tempe, AZ where they have their car vending machine. It was a really nice way to break in the car and get a feel for the super charging network and the vehicle driving it for 6 hours immediately after delivery. It rides like a dream and the free...
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    Carvana Buying Experience

    Hi all, long time lurker, new poster. I thought I would share my experience buying a loaded 2013 P85 through Carvana last month since it seems like their Tesla inventory has been exploding and I’m sure others on the lookout for a used S might consider them. This will be long but I will hope...
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    Sell me on a used P85D vs model 3 performance

    I was recently in this exact same boat as the OP. In the end I decided to go with a 2013 fully loaded P85 that I purchased for under $40k with about 40k miles on it through Carvana. In the end for me, I wanted the S because I believe it’s one of the most beautiful looking cars created, and I...