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Loads of cheaper options on the other side if not.

They’re usually cheaper without the subscription. The question for a non-Tesla is how much cheaper the superchargers would for them with a subscription ie how many kWh do you need to charge to save the 10.99 a month. That’s about 80kWh or two-three significant charges on a supercharger.

Really? Tesla is no different to any other publicly quoted company. It's beholden to its shareholders who expect a return.

Tesla is pricing low to attract business from other networks. Odds on it would increase the price to manage demand if the network was overwhelmed. It's a commercial business after all.

Gridserve and the rest. Instavolt and BP Pulse already have more rapids than Tesla. MFG and Osprey also pushing hard. There are a good half a dozen or more networks aiming to be the biggest.

Yes, I've just been to the south of France and back in an MG4 on the supercharger network

I subscribed for the last two months and, no, you don't give any details about the car. You pay, you charge.

You plug in, select the stall in the app and click start charging. It doesn't know the vehicle but it does what any other rapid does and reports the state of charge in the app.

It's good value for money. I drove to the south of France mostly on the supercharger network and it was just as quick and easy as when I did it in my SR+

MG4s work fine. It's some of the other models that don't

You also have to use an app on those without card payment. I'm in France right now in an MG4 and I failed to get a charge at a supercharger twice, once because all the superchargers literally disappeared from the app for an hour or so and the second time because the app randomly changed my...

and he should factor in the cost of installing a home chargepoint

Not sure you'd call Applegreen small. They have fuel forecourts across Ireland, the UK and the USA. They may not have many charging locations yet but they have the sites to become a huge player very quickly About | Applegreen US Motorway Services

I'm pretty sure Musk said not long ago they were aiming for 10% profit on supercharging. Most of the non-Tesla networks are making a loss on charging a lot more. Who knows what the Tesla maths actually is. It's not transparent for sure.

The regulations on contactless payment do apply to existing rapids. You have 12 months to comply once they come into force.

Why talk down Instavolt? They've been around long enough. I was using them when I had a Leaf, which is going back more than five years. They are now bigger than the supercharger network in the UK and expanding faster than it. All that with great reliability 🤷‍♂️

Tesla superchargers are voted the best in the ZapMap poll but they are not yet a 'public' network.

Maybe, I've always managed to pay with a card at Instavolt. There's a reason they are consistently voted the best public network in the ZapMap polls.

Instavolt has card readers on each unit and claims 99.8% availability. It can be done.

GB sticker is no longer legal. You now need a UK sticker.

Tesla will have to get its act together if it's really going to clean up. There are 150+ non-Tesla rapid charging hubs in the UK (six or more devices) and they are growing faster than Tesla. Supercharger expansion in the UK is currently running at half the pace it is in the likes of France and...

It's called competition. Although Tesla isn't actually that competitive with most of those because it's open-to-all service is pretty patchy in comparison.

Only if they pay the monthly subscription. Otherwise, they are higher.

It would also need to know what car it is. An MG4, for example, has the charge port in the same place as a Tesla.

All superchargers are already open to all in Holland.

Yes, I think they had to be a minimum of 150kw. Many are 350kw and the Total Energies ones are 475kw

It's interesting to look at what's happening in France where more than 60 sites (probably more than two thirds of stalls) are open to all. I follow the French forums and you never hear of issues. What I have read is that many Tesla drivers are stopping at motorway services, where hundreds of new...

Not only the non-Tesla provision. There are generally more and bigger Tesla supercharger stations across Western Europe.

Lol, yes, including non-exclusive access to Tesla superchargers, one presumes.

I’ve not tried it yet. I’ve mapped some journeys I might do. I’ve seen posts of Brits with non-Tesla’s charging in France. I’ve not seen anything to suggest that there are any restrictions as long as you live in one of the countries with open superchargers. Where have you seen this?

You can now travel across most of France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Scandinavia in a non-Tesla on the supercharger network alone. There are few gaps.

The map is also showing loads more sites open to non-Teslas. It's not replicated in the app so maybe this is a mistake too.

Yes, I imagine most sites would say the same now, from motorway services to hotels and shopping centres. Why would you give up the space for only one type of EV, especially if that space is limited?

90% of the rapid charging network is non-Tesla and most of them are expanding quickly.

But that's only if you're registered with Hozah. It's purely optional. The Hozah system has been in place for a good while. I was registered but got rid of it after it failed to see me leave within the hour. I'm sure someone posted on one of the Tesla Facebook groups that they'd spoken to the...

I’ve used the car park regularly over many years to pick up and drop off. I’ve never bought a ticket for that and never been fined. From my observations, the car parking is enforced by a camera on a patrol car, not cameras at the entrance and exit.

I believe there is a plan to add more facilities but that might be some way off. There is a Travelodge next to the park and ride so you could try there when the park and ride ones are closed.

I use Maidstone if I'm heading for the ferry plus there's always the option to use the superchargers at Calais.

There’s also a big Osprey hub next door, so this is the most unlikely supercharger site to ever have an issue.

Not sure about that. I'm thinking there's a decent saving to be had on my drive down to Italy in the summer by using Ionity with Bonnet rather than superchargers. We'll see how well Bonnet does but, if they can pick up Instavolt and Gridserve too, they'll have an even stronger offer.

The superchargers will be empty. Not even any Teslas 🤣

It's a mobile phone perspective. The superchargers (yes, 12) are part of a bigger project that also includes a Fastned station and lots of type 2 charging. There's a big fence round the lot so you can't get close.

Tombstones are in at Oxford Redbridge park and ride

Plenty of banks of four and six around, plus they are often in clusters. I use them ahead of superchargers if convenient. The general point though is that lots of hubs are appearing. There are 62 hubs of four or more ultra rapid chargepoints outside the Tesla network (which has 98). There are at...

To put things into perspective, Tesla may be the largest provider of DC charging but it only represents around 12 per cent of the available hardware (stats from ZapMap). Plenty of other networks are available and are being used. In fact, the likes of InstaVolt are not far off overtaking Tesla as...

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😂 I’m sure Debbie’s vineyard is vey nice but this must be Denbies.

And market research isn't the only thing that decides where the superchargers go. There must be so many variables, including site ownership and grid connections. I'm happy to see them wherever they can put some in.

I have an SR+. In a full year, averaging out summer and winter use, I get 250 wh/mile. I often get 240 wh/mile at 70mph in summer.

Three years of driving EVs has taught me that efficiency, speed of charging, and good availability of ultra fast charging are more important than absolute range. It all points to cars with moderate-sized batteries that are more affordable and fit well with the routine stops you make on a longer...