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Thanks very much!

My son is interested in a used Model 3, but wants to be sure he's getting the premium sound system. Do ALL AWD Long Range cars (and Performance) come with premium sound or is it more complicated? Thanks

So, does this mean we now have to run CARFAX-like searches on ANY new car we may buy? I guess, back in the day, ignorance was bliss. Good luck OP.

In the publication above they just asked CARFAX to run the VINS. CARFAX gave then a clean bill of health. Now, the publication's point was there is a difference between saying "we have no records/reports of damage therefore WE DON'T know." And... "We have no records/reports of damage, so...

I agree with making sure this isn't a Carfax error. I remember a publication doing a "test" on Carfax by handing them two VINs to check. They both came back clean. However, not only were both cars totaled in previous accidents, but both frames had been cut and welded together to make a whole...

I grew up in Vermont, it's sports car country. I'm in So. Cal now and drive an M3P. I can only imagine how great it would be to have this car back in Vt. Go for it!

I had Runflats (stock) on my C6 and had one go south on the freeway over 70mph without issue. I just slowed down. My son and my wife both had blowouts with their Ranges and the tires were destroyed -- non Runflats. IMHO Runflats work just fine.

First there is more than one suit, each slightly different, but the one quoted here claims that California law in general prohibits any such restriction. Period. I am not a lawyer, but if successful that would likely mean ANY maker trying to restrict sale to a dealer during lease, in...

No, the lawsuit is over the fact that people leased Teslas when they said you COULD sell to 3rd party, then Tesla "changed their minds." It's happened with a lot of makes, Tesla included. If the lawsuit succeeds, then Tesla will likely have to allow 3rd party sales again. That's the point...

LA is a PIA to move around quickly. I'm a screenwriter and going to and from a meeting in Beverly Hills consumed the whole day. I hope zooming sticks! And fwiw, there are 8 Tesla super chargers and four non-Tesla (but Tesla friendly) charges nearby... now what I'm no longer commuting.

It's not just Tesla, many makers are doing this. There seem to be two issues on the table: First, is this even legal at all (especially in California), and second, is this a contractual issue for people who leased when the company policy allowed them to sell to a dealer. In other words, can...

Congratulations! Great job!

More on this and why the lawsuit. https://jalopnik.com/automakers-are-screwing-consumers-out-of-the-equity-in-1847318319

I have a late 2019 M3P -- have had Ferrari and Porsche in the past. No recent Benz, though. The Performance is fun and here's an older Porsche forum when they first came out -- judge for yourself. https://rennlist.com/forums/997-forum/1160382-tesla-model-3-performance.html

Not with 3rd party dealers. Purpose of the lawsuit. Purpose of this thread.

So, an update: There is now a class action suit in California -- brought by a car dealer -- against BMW and Mercedes SPECIFICALLY for not allowing lease holders to sell their cars to third party dealers. (This dealer being one). They are saying this violates California law. "In the suit...

The question is "what" is considered contract? I am not a lawyer and do not know the existing case law, and in fact that definition may vary state-to-state. But... Tesla's (and others, BTW), had as a stated policy that one could transfer ownership to a dealer. Is that considered contract...

There is currently a class action suit against Tesla for, essentially, altering purchase and lease contracts (specifically in the suit it was for a bait-and-switch on a car order). However, the crux of the matter is a legal challenge to the alteration of contract terms (for purchase AND lease...

Not the point, but it may be germane to this particular thread. If it is determined that Tesla (any car maker) cannot altar contract terms w/o simply refunding $X or whatever, can they now show that they may not choose to alter contract terms a couple of YEARS later. Ok this got moved and is...

So... are we getting closer? https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2021/tesla-class-action-lawsuit-order-agreements.shtml

Doesn't voice command "set (my) seat heater to (1,2 or 3)" work? https://teslavoice.glideapp.io/

I've been semi-following the Mach E forum and the Ford fans started out in a super-defensive posture (dealers are needed!, BS). Not much of that now. They have a "wall of shame" thread listing dealers who charge mark-ups; another for "good" dealers". However, as has been suggested here, the...

... and let the steel rust? Back in the day you could order cars in primer if you wanted a non-standard color. Some -- like Porsche and Jag, would paint to a sample.

Have you tried "Where are the supercharger stations"?

Interesting. I'm in Ca. Use Tunein a lot and though I'm on the free version I never get ads. Perhaps it's because I primarily listen to Euro (German) stations? Maybe no one wants to set ads just before Rammstein?

On mine when I get a call, phone icons appear at bottom of left display. I'm on Android.

"Set (my) seat heater to (1,2 or 3)." "My butt is cold" turns on all seat heaters.

I donno -- I'm a 60's kid and took me about half an hour to sort. Just goes to show you can't teach New Dogs, New Tricks! 'Course I took a shitload of acid back then.

Assume everyone has seen this: Tesla Voice Commands ("turn on windshield wipers" etc.) Not having an issue with this UI.

Does Tidal respond to voice commands?

Hey DiamondM, any further info on this? Thanks

People are still people -- some smart, some not so. Have you tried a different SC?

DiamondM is the user to ask..

The reason I ask is because Audi's "BBW" system has a hydraulic system controlled electronically not by a directly connected to the pedal. (And no, I don't count parking brakes which are not used in motion.) "In fact, Audi’s new E-tron is the first fully electric vehicle to include...

So a "true" BBW system has no direct mechanical connection with a hydraulic system OR there is no hydraulic system? Because I'm not sure you can have "no" hydraulic system and still generate the pressures required for braking.

Again, FWIW... 6 Cars with Brake By Wire Technology https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a34224683/how-brake-by-wire-works-safety/

Well... How Do Tesla Brakes Work? | CarShtuff

Yeah, I was just asking.

More stumbling: Brembo Brake By Wire for electric vehicles

Stumbled on the link after posting.

Not, regen, this... Introducing the brake of the future! All of the benefits thanks to the new Brembo electric brakes

Sorry if this has been discussed, but recently read that Tesla was transitioning to electric braking. Is this true? Thanks

So I was sent this as a PM from someone who says he's a class action attorney: "David - I should add that to the extent Tesla owners lost out on opportunities to sell their leased cars for a profit, and the restriction against lease buyouts imposed by Tesla was a breach, there could be...

Thanks Rocky. I'll swap it out when I get the chance.

Interesting. Perhaps because my location is not in a garage, it's actually within the panel structure, sort its own closet?

In Los Angeles where an owner can self-install, then get it "permitted". I did that, no GFCI breaker for a 14-50 NEMA. I was told Ca is on 2017 code. Just had an inspector check and OK the work about a month ago. Total cost for install: $90. About $100 for the inspection. Inspector agreed...

I read it -- my point was, it clearly shows that the lease contract itself can be not worth the paper it's written on if rights and/or laws are violated... and there's a further link (though incomplete) to the Consumer Leasing Act. If you just do a search for that you'll get the whole deal.

Of interest... https://consumerprotection.net/blog/schlanger-law-group-files-national-class-action-over-vehicle-leases/

Obviously...

OK, take this for what it's worth. This is NOT a legal opinion. Spoke with my lawyer who does a lot of contract law, but he's in the entertainment side, nothing to do with cars. So, take this for what it's worth: basically there's such a thing as "expectations" (I do not know if that is a...