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  1. waterbrain

    OK, so...did everyone get their cars by the end of 2019?

    I know everyone has been reporting their deliveries throughout the threads, but it's really hard to get a good idea of how many actually received their cars vs those that didn't. Take a moment to share whether you were successful or not!
  2. waterbrain

    California, The Land That Time Forgot

    Really? I'm pretty sure a vast majority of companies are interested in profit first. I agree that Tesla can do better at communicating, but they did what they needed to do to satisfy a vast majority of orders before end of year. It will be interesting on January 1 to see how many were left...
  3. waterbrain

    California, The Land That Time Forgot

    Why not ask to have your delivery changed to SF where you'll be?
  4. waterbrain

    California, The Land That Time Forgot

    Mine said no appointments available from my computer, but I was able to book one easily from my phone. Not sure why the difference.
  5. waterbrain

    California, The Land That Time Forgot

    Since starting this thread, I've been out of town so I thought I'd give an update. I ordered SR+ on 11/8. Didn't hear anything for 6 weeks. We left on a cruise on the 21st of December without hearing a word. Each time we stopped at a port and I was able to get service, I'd check for a VIN in...
  6. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    I got this email today at around 3:30pm.
  7. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    Is Rocklin your delivery center? I'm not sure whether this is a Tesla thing or just a Rocklin thing. The reply was intended to go back to the person that sent me the email. If you're picking up your car in Rocklin, I'll PM you their email address.
  8. waterbrain

    2020 Price Drop? [Speculation]

    Double insurance? Mine was less than my 2013 Prius. Do you drive a model 3 or a model S? I see S85 in your sig. Maybe that's why. I guess maintenance can be a wash if you never change your oil.
  9. waterbrain

    Inventory car question

    I think it will be gone before you decide.
  10. waterbrain

    2020 Price Drop? [Speculation]

    Actually, the cheapest Tesla is 35k. 3k less than the average new car (if you're information is correct). Factor in the savings in maintenance and it's even more affordable. Then factor in the savings from not having to buy gas and it's even MORE affordable.
  11. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    I think the intent is that if you are a prior owner or have watched every model 3 video on YouTube and feel like you don't need a lesson on how everything works, they skip that part. I'm sure you still have the ability to inspect and sign paperwork. Skipping the inspection would be RIDICULOUS...
  12. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    I thought this was funny. I received the following email from my delivery center: Thank you for attending our New Owner’s Workshop! We hope you were able to learn about the vehicle and prepare for delivery. As we mentioned during our presentation we will be offering our Ludicrous Delivery...
  13. waterbrain

    "C" motor code in VIN on a few performance Model 3 cars

    I think the C means it was supposed to go to someone waiting in California, but Tesla decided to sell it to someone else.
  14. waterbrain

    California, The Land That Time Forgot

    This is where fellow Californians can come to feel sorry for ourselves. If you're tired of hearing about the joy felt by those in the other 49 states as they receive their new cars, this is the place for you. If you've been waiting for weeks and have lost all hope, this is were you belong. If...
  15. waterbrain

    Do FSD cars have different hardware?

    I would imagine that if you went into Tesla and ordered the 3.0 hardware and let them slide your credit card, they would probably sell it to you. I would think they would also be happy to install it for you if you let them slide your card again. I have no idea what the cost might be. If it...
  16. waterbrain

    Do FSD cars have different hardware?

    My understanding is that hw 2.5 is an Nvidia chipset. Tesla contracted with Nvidia to provide the hardware. Due to Nvidia licensing, it's more expensive and less efficient because it wasn't custom built for Tesla, rather modified to meet their needs. Hw 3.0 is all Tesla. Much cheaper because...
  17. waterbrain

    Took delivery today but experience is less than stellar

    That's pretty funny. Here are some examples: Ford: 2019 build quality problems - Ford F150 Forum - Community of Ford Truck Fans Chevy: Peeling fascia paint still a big problem on 2019 Corvettes - CorvetteForum - Chevrolet Corvette Forum Discussion VW: Don't buy a new 2019 Jetta! Audi: HLTV.org...
  18. waterbrain

    2020 Price Drop? [Speculation]

    I think you're probably right. "Any Tesla is too expensive for most Americans to buy." Somehow though, Americans figure out ways to buy cars they cannot afford. I just did some googling. In the US, the light truck is by far the most popular choice of car buyers. In 2019, automakers are on...
  19. waterbrain

    2020 Price Drop? [Speculation]

    Regarding price cuts, I think once Gigafactory 3 is supplying cars to China and Gigafactory 4 is supplying cars to Europe, the cost of cars coming out of Fremont can go down considerably because the distribution costs will be way, way down. That along with improved battery technology has the...
  20. waterbrain

    2020 Price Drop? [Speculation]

    I'm not sure the Model Y will take too many sales from the 3. I think there are a whole new batch of buyers that will buy the Y. According to this site U.S. car market: by vehicle type 2019 | Statista 40% of the vehicles sold in the US in 2019 were crossovers. 5% were luxury cars. 10% were...
  21. waterbrain

    Took delivery today but experience is less than stellar

    Which main-stream manufacturers are you referring to that deliver cars without blemishes?
  22. waterbrain

    Tesla not producing any more Performance models for duration of the year?

    Also, if you chose to wait for the price drop and Q1 ended up being another strong quarter, you would run the risk of waiting for your January order to be delivered in late March.
  23. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    I think I would have taken that deal. I'm a "road-tripper" though. It would be worth the trip to me to get $400 worth of merchandise. Also, I'd rather put the first 6 hours/400 miles on my brand new car instead of someone else. That's not important to some people, but it is to me.
  24. waterbrain

    Can i change my mind and bring a trade in to my delivery appointment?

    While the trade credit is valuable, it may not be as valuable as what you could get through a private party sale. For example, if Tesla gave you $10k for your trade and your sales tax is 7.5%, you would pay $750 less in sales tax on your Tesla. If you were able to sell your vehicle for more...
  25. waterbrain

    Tesla not producing any more Performance models for duration of the year?

    By the way, if for some reason you don't or can't take delivery by end of year, your federal tax credit will disappear. There may be other credits available to you through your state or power provider. You'll need to check into those. All federal tax credits for Teslas vanish as of 1/1/2020.
  26. waterbrain

    Tesla not producing any more Performance models for duration of the year?

    The SAs really don't know. I wouldn't put any weight into what they told you. If you ordered your car already, I would assume you will receive it before end of year. For her to say there will be no more performance models delivered for the rest of the year seems like an ignorant statement to...
  27. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    I think there's another one tomorrow night. Not super informative. They said to make sure everything on the website was complete and then bring the items you mentioned. Make sure anyone included on the registration is there to sign as well. They also sold accessories. I picked up my 14-50...
  28. waterbrain

    Model Y or Mustang Mach-E

    Ha! I'll believe that when I see it. What Ford actually told them was to not advertise BELOW MSRP. Ford can't dictate to the independent dealers the price they charge. They can require them not to "Advertise" above or below MSRP, but they cannot control what they actually sell them for. In...
  29. waterbrain

    Took delivery today but experience is less than stellar

    Paint issues are actually pretty common. Pick a manufacturer and google it. Porsche paint defects, mercedes paint defects. They all have issues. The forums are full of people complaining about defects, regardless of the manufacturer.
  30. waterbrain

    Took delivery today but experience is less than stellar

    Agree 100%. I didn't see anything that would cause me to want to wait 90 days for another car that might have the same or worse issues. I realize you want your new car to be perfect. If that's all you found wrong with it, that's not bad. Once you get those alignments fixed and touch up those...
  31. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    Why don't you think they will deliver your car by end of year? Unless you have been assigned a VIN, anyone giving an ETA with a specific date at this point, California or elsewhere, is just a guess. Unless you have a connection with some guy in some back room, divvying out VINs, nobody seems...
  32. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    It will happen. Even though you've only been waiting three days, you'll probably get your car before those in California that have been waiting since October. Location, Location, Location. The further you are from Fremont, the sooner you'll get your car. I went to the new owner orientation...
  33. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    I don't know if it's the case for most states, but I do know that Utah state law prohibits direct car manufacturers from selling unless they allow indirect dealers to also carry their products. Tesla does not allow indirect dealers so Utah has blocked them out. I believe Michigan is the same...
  34. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    Actually, scratch Utah. No Tesla sales in Utah.
  35. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    I ordered 11/8. Not a peep. My guess is that those cars were headed east. Nevada, Utah, Colorado. Who knows for sure though. I'll have to swing by Rocklin today and see if there are any cars there. It's on my way home.
  36. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    Ok, that is nuts. Maybe we should all order again and then cancel whichever order comes in second.
  37. waterbrain

    Purgatory..aka couldn’t make delivery date waiting room

    Pretty sure Giga 1 is Nevada. Don't think they have a factory in AZ.
  38. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    I believe you just need to have proof of insurance in order to take delivery and drive off the lot. In NY, you will need to show proof of insurance on the VIN of your new car. California, where I live, only requires proof of insurance... doesn't need to show the actual VIN.
  39. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    If you're serious... there are alot of people that really don't like you right now. :)
  40. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    Welcome to the California Crowd. With the exception of a vin here or there, most of us seem to be pretty low on the delivery list.
  41. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    Congratulations! Share pics when you have a chance.
  42. waterbrain

    Lasers to replace windshield wipers?

    Has anyone heard about this? Apparently, Tesla is planning on replacing their windshield wipers with lasers that will "irradiate" any debris that lands on the windshield. I would love to see a demonstration of this technology. From what I understand, it would work with water as well as dirt...
  43. waterbrain

    Purgatory..aka couldn’t make delivery date waiting room

    With gigafactory 3 coming online this past month, I have to believe some of the pressure for all international orders to come from US factories will begin to subside. I don't know how long it will be before #3 is producing a thousand cars a day, but I would imagine they will scale up pretty...
  44. waterbrain

    Purgatory..aka couldn’t make delivery date waiting room

    Call in sick? Take a long lunch? Leave a little early? I'm sure I'm oversimplifying, but I'd do my best to figure it out if my car was on the line.
  45. waterbrain

    Purgatory..aka couldn’t make delivery date waiting room

    That seems to be the case. If you aren't available to take delivery, you might be able to negotiate another day or two. If not, they deliver the car to someone who is ready and you go back in line. Not sure if you go to the back of the line or just back in line. The process is very unclear.
  46. waterbrain

    Model Y or Mustang Mach-E

    One of the biggest selling points for me when I chose to purchase a model 3 was AutoPilot. When it is improved and fully approved, I plan to upgrade to fully autonomous driving. Unless I've missed something, the Mach E has neither. Maybe they have adaptive cruise control. My 2013 Prius had...
  47. waterbrain

    California Rebate - 2020 Model

    That's great news. Congratulations! Share some pics when you have a chance!
  48. waterbrain

    SR/SR+ (Model 3 RWD) Waiting Room

    Nope, I ordered 11/8. No vin yet and mine says: Next Steps We are drafting up your contract and will contact you when you can make your final payment.
  49. waterbrain

    California Rebate - 2020 Model

    Um, you may want to do a quick google search for "porsche paint defects". You'll find loads of forums with new owners that are complaining about defects and the trouble they have with getting them resolved. At least Tesla seems to being doing a decent job of working through the defects. LMGTFY