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Only three weeks to get Tesla to acknowledge a flaw that would be immediately obvious to anyone?! Wow! That's such good service - NOT. :(

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Well, better. But still a $71,600 cash price, and the inventory 75’s will be gone soon.

It’s only my opinion, but I think the two primary reasons for the S/X sales drops are: 1. Prices for a new S or X have risen significantly. For example, the lowest-cost S is now $85k, and much more if a few basic options are added. p.s. Opinion: Things such as paint should not cost extra on a...

Getting back to the OP, keep in mind that GM, Tesla, and Ford are now the three largest U.S. automakers by market capitalization.

The 40-->60 upgrade is already $2500. It would be great if Supercharger access could be reduced to something lower than $2500.

No need. $2500 is the current 40 -> 60 upgrade price. Now if we can just get Supercharging for less than $2500...

The S40 has the same charger as every other May/June 2013 model. No new charger should be necessary unless there are unusual circumstances. When was your car made?

Fantastic!!!

Sorry for the delayed response. I don't read these often. The 40->60 upgrade was completed at my home via an OTA update. Payment of $2500 was coordinated through the local Service Center. My understanding is that the upgrade was then triggered by the Tesla Engineering Department at HQ in...

Update: Tesla dropped the 40->60 upgrade price from $11,000 to $2,500. The upgrade doesn't included Supercharger access which remains an additional $2,500,

Per both Tesla and the the UAW, there seems to be strong correlation between low performers and union organizers. Was there a lot of overlap among these two groups? On one hand, it could be said that Tesla used performance as an excuse to fire union organizers. On the other hand, it could be...

Yes, the lowest base price was $57,400.

The trade delay is possible. However, I thinks it's more likely that the upgrades will make the cars more marketable. Owners could then trade/sell the cars and purchase a newer Tesla model. This would benefit Tesla. The new 60 owner is also brought into the Tesla world and this may expand...

Again, thanks for the clarifications. Another way to look at it: I don't know how many 40's still exist, but to keep the math simple, let's assume there are still 200 because many have already been upgraded or traded-in. To bring the remaining 200 cars up to 60 kWh and activate the...

Thank you for the correction.

Adding one more opinion: I think the 147->125 range reduction alone could justify a free upgrade from 40 to 60. We purchased a car with EPA-rated specifications and Tesla broke the promise with absolutely no justification or notification. It will cost Tesla almost zero to remedy the situation...

I think Tesla has some interest in reducing the unlock price. As a software developer I know they're keeping track of all exceptions and it costs them extra money to maintain the limited-60 portion of the software. This portion of the software must be considered, validated, and tested with...

Yes, multiple times. The evaluation always comes back as "normal" loss which I know isn't true. My range is down by about 20 miles (14%) after 71k miles and 51 months. All of the range reductions were downward steps experienced in conjunction with software "upgrades", not a gradual/curved...

Has any 40 or 60 owner successfully convinced Tesla to acknowledge that the range reductions are a problem, and hopefully, were able to correct them? My range is down by about 14% after 71k miles and 51 months. All of the range reductions were downward steps experienced after software...

A quick bump for the 40 owners. I own a 40 and would love to see Tesla give these owners a consideration similar to what was offered to the 60/75 owners ($2k upgrade). Because Tesla delivered almost all of the 40's around June/2013, all are early adopters who invested in Tesla long before the...

Nice looking bike!

Hmm, no other eBike riders?

Hello Tesla owners and reservation holders! I purchased a Model S in 2013 and love the car. These forums seem to be good for sharing experiences. I hope it’s alright to share some ideas. For decades I've been a bicycle enthusiast, riding both road and mountain bikes, and want to share some...

People realize pmadflyer pointed that out yesterday, right? This thread is full of almost nothing but speculation. It's good entertainment, but try not to take things so seriously.

I agree. It's likely the final production car details will be different from this Tesla concept drawing. The overall scale and size should be about the same. The Model 3 seems to combine elements from both the S and the X. It's difficult to tell from the drawing, but it looks like the rear...

An actual drawing (from Tesla) for those who just can't wait. Basically, it's a smaller version of the Model S.

Contrary to the current conversation, there was an accidental "reveal" of the Model 3 about 2-3 years ago. Basically, the Model 3 looks like a small Model S. The accidental reveal was within a video posted by Tesla. The video was intended to showcase the Tesla factory and accidentally...

Prior to purchasing the MS, I considered how often I'd travel beyond the local area. The estimate was once every 2-3 years, so I purchased a 40 kWh MS. After 13 months of ownership, I finally took a "long" trip (565 miles). The amazing part: I drove all those miles and didn't charge once...

For many of the features compared, I think the review was fair. But there's more to the story and they should have been better explained. I think the explanation of range anxiety displayed bias, but that's something we've seen before. No surprise. I agree the 550 has too many buttons, etc...

AudubonB +1

First, GREAT thread idea! I've been, ahem, frugal all my life. My friends and family remain puzzled at the "strange" behavior. Most people think we're struggling on one income. We're not, and normally live on about half our income. The rest goes toward things we enjoy (helping others) and a...

Does anyone think the residents of New Jersey will tolerate being excluded from the opportunity to purchase Tesla products? I think not. Tesla should just sit back and laugh while the morons running NJ fight…and lose.

Hello Dylan. Your questions seem very reasonable. I read the responses from everyone else, and have some different opinions. 1. My "average daily driving distance" changed dramatically after purchasing the Model S. I used to find ways/reasons to drive less, and combined trips when possible...

Great info. Thank you!

While I appreciate some of the comments above, I normally only report my observations. I won't pretend, as others have above, to know things such as how miles are calculated, under what conditions the battery requires heating or cooling, if A/C uses more/less energy than heating, if battery...

I've been reading about these concerns for a while, but wanted to gather data before posting. My 40 began life June 3, 2013 with 144 Rated miles. In July the battery failed and was replaced. The new battery charged to 147 Rated miles. I've been tracking Rated and Ideal miles since June...

@lola Help me understand something. If you are correct regarding diminished value (and I think you are)... 82-25-18= $39k Given t-bone impact you described, it's very likely some unseen damage exists to other parts, or even structural misalignment which could add thousands to the repair cost or...

@luvb2b First of all, nice work. I haven't read the 11+ pages prior to this post so please forgive me if this has already been discussed. Assuming that some auto buyers shop within (or near) a vehicle class, is there data to support a comparison by class and/or model year? For example, is data...

I'm very happy with the 40 kWh range. It's my daily driver, with 20 miles rt to work being my longest normal route. Almost everthing else I need is within 5 miles from home. Every 2-3 months I take a 50 mile trip to my second home and have returned with plenty of miles to spare. Secondly...

I think what Nathan is trying to express is that expectations can (should?) vary by price point. Comments by @AR and others are correct and would seem fitting for many cars, maybe even for a $80k car. However, I think Nathan had higher expectations for a $110k+ car. While I can understand how...

I've owned my 40 since June, and have put 6000+ miles on the odometer. I was tempted to upgrade to a 60 and SC, but the price/value ratio doesn't make sense for me. The 40 works very well for my needs in the Seattle area. Note to TM: $2000-$3000 would be a fair price for a 60+SC upgrade...

A debt-free college education for each of my kids. I'll never be very financially wealthy because of these "purchases", but they're a lifetime dream fulfilled.

I filed a Public Records request and obtained copies. If you file a request, ask for records regarding the Extended Warranty Contract. The Service Contract is currently sold in WA so that's not a concern.

Not likely when parking on metered Seattle streets. Seattle PD is brutal when it comes to generating money for McSchwinn.

For months I've been monitoring this closely and can provide a little more detail. Tesla submitted the Extended Warranty Contract and it was approved in June. I obtained a copy. However, I've been in direct contact with TM and they won't acknowledge that an Extended Warranty will be offered...

Has anyone in WA put more than 50,000 miles on their Model S, then needed a repair? If yes: 1. What part was repaired or replaced? 2. How much was the part? 3. What price/rate was charged for labor? 4. Did Tesla repair or replace anything for free after the warranty expired?

It may take a few washings, but here's an option to remove coatings that worked well for me. 1. Wash car as usual. 2. Soak a small cotton towel with isopropyl alcohol and thoroughly(!) wipe the entire windshield. 3. Follow-up with a simple window cleaner to remove the haze left by isopropyl...

Tom, It's just my opinion, but I don't think you'll get much depreciation on a 2-3 month old Model S. I think 15% depreciation would be excessive when it takes most cars an entire year to depreciate that much. I think a serious offer would be closer to: $MSRP - $7,500 tax credit - $1 per...

Beware of the idea that you’ll be able to upgrade a 2012-2014 Model S beyond the current 60/85 kWh capacity. I have legal documentation from TM that clearly states: TM will offer Extended Battery Warranties. They’re expensive, $7500 for the maximum three-year extension. TM will (does) offer...