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For what it's worth I say stay on the bright side, take the lesson, ease up. It's important to hold companies accountable, and Tesla certainly deserves it in my opinion, as does for ex. CD Projekt Red, but pick your fights lest you get irritated as I have before in another thread already; this...

Lockdown boredom and lack of a suitable RPG for years tempted me to pre-order Cyberpunk 2077, almost broke the one rule when it wouldn't even make me receive it earlier. I'll have it stick properly this time (hopefully).

Man, if only you had been a video game enthusiast prior to being a Tesla enthusiast, you'd have had the no pre-orders motto embedded into you already. The Battlefield games, No Man's Sky, Fallout 76... Let's see if over-the-air updates turn Cyberpunk 2077 into a fraction of what it was...

He meant light wavelength instead of visible wavelength? What? Care to explain how that's any better? Radio waves from radars, which stand in oppositon to LiDAR in his comment, are also electromagnetic radiation. "The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted...

When he says they've "solved perception", as much of an abuse of language as that may be, I take it that believe that they've achieved substantial accuracy in "correctly perceiving the dynamic and static aspects on the first pass", in the exact same way that Tesla would. At around 24:00, I...

What do you mean? What's "these"? His wording is likely lax in general, but I take it that his use of "perception" isn't colloquial, and it is a particular set of tasks distinct from other components of autonomous driving: planning and control. The academic literature on the matter is so vast...

Somebody severely fumbled that summary. At around 27:00 of the video, he states that they recorded (as of half a year ago) 8 kilometers of data daily, not that they mapped 8 kilometers of road daily.

Is it tradition in the US to do a line of cocaine and jump into the teslamotorsclub forum? You know why I (normally) enjoy this place? It's because regardless of its name, it's been one of the most interesting forums to read about people's thoughts on current attempts at autonomous driving, and...

I wouldn't interpret it like that. He shouldn't be able to define whatever he wants as L5, but rather design it to be L5. Hence why I think liability will be a determining factor. I hope AV makers, namely Tesla and its CEO given his propensity towards bending his followers' perceptions of...

Great, now realize that I provided links to the NHTSA and SAE.org. Yours is Jonathan Dyble from technologymagazine. Again, the definitions I provided, including from SAE itself, matched the comments with which you disagreed. The wiki repeats the definitions above. Including explicit mention of...

That's a particularly vague definition, indistinct from Level 2. What's the source? Automated Vehicles for Safety SAE J3016 automated-driving graphic Self-driving car - Wikipedia The websites above all match my previous comment.

The definition doesn't rely on how common interventions are. Level 3 pertains to autonomous systems that expect intervention upon request. FSD Beta requires constant human supervision, not conditionally on it being explicitly asked of the user. And it also still demands intervention to correct...

Fair enough with that first answer. As for the rest, I specifically meant the systematic disagree with no explanation why, and even on mere expositions of fact. Disagreeing is indeed not attacking, but your brand of pressing that disagree button (which isn't necessarily the act of disagreeing)...

I'm making fun of it, and I figured that'd be evident if you had only quoted the rest of that paragraph. Only one of us is butthurt. Anyway, what do you think is unfathomable about criticism of terrible business practices? I am interested in autonomous driving, and used to be interested in...

I think you are being naive. You propose a scenario in which the assignment responsibility to the passenger is entirely justified by the (hypothetical) non-viability of the product otherwise. That is, the passenger must be scapegoated so that the business isn't threatened by its own faults. For...

I'm more inclined towards a free trial of a dream making immensely more sense than paying thousands for it, let alone paying twice. Further let alone the dream of delivery of FSD in the past; you know, in 2019 (and that's discarding even earlier statements). But then again, I too have paid...

Indeed. User @ItsNotAboutTheMoney admitted this himself, and I'm confident the issue of pedestrian abuse will be made insignificant without sacrificing safety; it might even be insignificant to begin with.

He meant to sell it during their darkest days for Tesla's then market cap of $60 Billion. Result wasn't surprising, really. Now, considering that a lot of the revolutionary *sugar* they'd been promising for 2019, 2020 remains undelivered (self-driving, semi, roadster), and that it is finally...

You see, FSD is a smart purchase because its price will be increased with time. Any actual driving, let alone self or full, is optional. What if we were the robotaxis, the absolute drones that support this, yearning for the Tesla lifestyle, all along?

If you ever find yourself in the Netherlands, magic truffles are game-changers. Everything else you've said is a bit too vague to really opine on. I do have myself observed COVID preventive measures taking a toll on friends' mental health, especially those currently in the Netherlands, and...

This'll be a hard sell. The point that humans get naturally distracted still stands, as does my view that safe driving, and thus the goal of AVs, must account for their safety as well. I do imagine AVs getting pushed around more than normal vehicles, but in favor of safety, so be it; this also...

Almost. And humans don't necessarily choose to be distracted. You realize that, currently, the penalty of distraction in this context is often death or severe injury, right? People don't just decide to accept death; distraction happens, and safety features should account for that. In fact, this...

Defeats the purpose of AVs, no? AVs should surpass humans in reaction time, thus safety, and avoid such accidents as possible, because even a person neglectfully stepping into your car's path doesn't deserve death. And yes, I'm of the very steadfast view that AVs should avoid the accident...

You had previously proposed a scenario with a system that is "safer than human driving" while requiring "the driver to watch the road", and that's that with which I disagreed ;) I do agree that even if Waymo succeeds first, Tesla fans shouldn't be upset if Tesla does eventually succeed...

I dislike your hypothetical. You'd have an autonomous system that entirely replaces the human driver, when: 1) it is known that humans fail to remain as attentive when unprompted; 2) The human would not be driving the car, FSD would. To legally require "the driver to watch the road" would not...

Mhm. Model S and Model X vehicles were recently recalled in China for suspension faults. Tesla had this to say to the NHTSA about the matter: Tesla has not determined that a defect exists in either the Front Suspension Aft Link or the Rear Suspension Upper Link and believes the root cause of...

Waymo's business is a self-driving taxi service, so indeed you can not purchase a car with Waymo's self-driving system. They have, however put it out already. You can currently ride in a fully-self-driving L4 Waymo in a geofenced area; you can not find fully-self-driving Teslas in any area...

Fortunately you still explicitly love Tesla, and will love your Model Y Performance. I'd have been forced to mark your post with a "disagree" otherwise.

I'm aware that I'm referencing hype videos, but I fail to see how that excuses Tesla vs. "the idiots" who show the car driving itself hands-free. One can also certainly hype Autopilot by being ambiguous and misleading about its capabilities. Why How does it being a "marketing hype video" excuse...

Fortunately we're in a forum for a company notorious for poor quality, misleading customers into purchasing "full-self-driving" under the promise it'll be available in two years since 2015, and generally being unethical to both its workers, and the consumers, who the systematically CEO blames...

Thank "the idiots", and not Tesla's fault? So if I go to the official Tesla Autopilot page I'm not going to find a no-hands driving video claiming the driver's there for legal reasons only? Say, specifically, if I enter this link: Autopilot , I won't find such a video right there on the first...