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So how bad are the changes? Are they as bad this guy says? Because if true, that basically sounds unusable.

I don't see a parameter for "wearing a mask alone in his own car."

After reading all 23 pages of this thread with interest, here are a few takeaways from a Tesla outsider: You guys (and maybe a few gals?) who dropped $12k on "Full Self Driving" are interesting. I get the cool factor, I really do, but that is a lot of cheddar for something that requires you to...

That sounds like a safety feature working as intended...

That's interesting. The nagging is dynamic? Like my ex-wife!

I have no doubt it’s really cool. But if you’ve got to keep your hands on the wheel… what is the point? What do you actually do? Put your hands on the wheel heavily enough to satisfy the torque sensor, but light enough to not interfere with the autosteer? Touch the wheel once every 30 seconds? I...

That’s a good question. I initially scoffed at the idea of BlueCruise because “so what - they want me to pay so I can put my hands in my lap instead of on the wheel?!” Then I started using BC (version 1.0) and it changed my mind. Being able to just sit comfortably with my hands in my lap as...

@uscbucsfan @sublimejackman @EVNow @MP3Mike re the last page of discussion… If you have to keep your hand on the wheel (and my guess is that’s gonna be a more stringent requirement after this recall update), what is the point of FSD? Especially at that price? To me, it sounds like monitoring a...

Sounds like what Mach E Vlog reported were not actual instances of "phantom braking" as folks with more Tesla experience use that term. But if what he experienced is not a bug, then it's a really strange "safety feature." That seems to be the more important point, rather than quibbling over...

Thank you. This is all very interesting. I also read the description of the various offerings here: https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot So even basic Autopilot supposedly has "Autosteer" (per the linked material), but what Autosteer is seems to depend on whether you've got AP, Enhanced AP...

Can anyone please explain, to someone highly unfamiliar with the Tesla driver assistance ecosystem, what any of this means? I am confused by all the terminology. Autopilot, Autosteer, Full Self Driving. I thought AutoPilot was basically just what we Ford folks call "lane centering" plus...

Sorry, I don’t have the energy to answer these insanely long posts. You and Motor Trend are obviously right. C&D and my own eyes are obviously wrong. The MY is clearly the superior vehicle. Glad we’ve settled this.

I already answered your question.

I didn’t say they were inferior. In fact I never mentioned them at all. People are entitled to come to different opinions. The Motor Trend review actually acknowledges many of the pros and cons to both vehicles - it simply puts greater weight on different things, particularly the charging...

It is a much better looking car than the “understated” MY. I can’t speak to EVGo. Don’t have those in my area. The EA and ChargePoint stations have worked great for me, now. Not initially. The larger point is that the Mach E was never going to win a race like this even if the chargers had...

I’m not ignoring posts. I check in sporadically but there is a lot to keep up with. If you want to label me a troll that’s fine. If you have read my posts, you’ll see that I acknowledge Tesla strengths and Mach E weaknesses. I find the tribalism stupid and tedious. So no, I’m not going to...

Ive listed them several times in this thread, including the first post.

Ok then.

My Mach E would not exist were it not for the trail Tesla blazed this past decade. So I give credit where it is due. The “us versus them” tribalism is stupid. So are the conspiracy theories about so and so simply being bought and paid for. We should be able to objectively compare products, and...

I’ve mentioned this a few times and I’ll do so again: Tesla’s are always going to charge somewhat faster than the Mach E. And at least for the next couple years, in at least some areas, Tesla will offer a more convenient charging network. Undeniable. But unless public charging is of paramount...

You’re half-right. The Mach E had significant public charging issues out the gate, including with EA. But the charging has since improved A LOT. I was one of the early adopters that was bitten a few times early on while public charging. A few updates later, I’ve had no more issues. Plug & Charge...

At the same 75mph, C&D got 250 miles out of the Mach E. Better range, better price, better looks, better ride! But no heat pump. :(

I can't speak to the folks buying MYs over MMEs 10 to 1, or something silly like that. But I agree, kudos to Ford. More importantly, kudos to me for picking the best one. :)

EV of the Year. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36877450/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-ev-of-the-year/ I know, I know, just more Ford bribery....

I think that’s probably right.

Ugh ok let’s unpack this. Because this video does a great job of depicting some frustrations but is kind of a one-off in others. First, PAAK works pretty well. Not as good as the fob and I can relate to some of their frustrations, but it is generally pretty reliable. I use it exclusively, and...

Is the 250 one way or RT? Assuming RT. Yes, you’ll need some en route charging with either model, but you won’t need so much that the MME’s 80% charging cliff versus Tesla’s 90% will make a material difference. The number of (and popularity of - keep that in mind) DCFC along your route may make...

The MME has no such capability. But really, that’s a pretty rare use case, IMO. More fundamentally, the MME doesn’t even show charging status on the infotainment screen while charging, which was a pretty dumb omission. Rumblings that this will be added “pretty soon” by OTA but nothing yet. I...

Sorry, I don’t understand what you are asking. I don’t think I said Ford was going to increase OTA updates? I actually pointed out that the lack of updates thus far is one of the things that has been frustrating. That’s one of THE biggest concerns for the MME going forward Sure! This...

Yeah to be clear, I don’t think the Tesla screen is a significant distraction. I just don’t think its rendering of things on the road is more beneficial than using your own eyes - certainly not beneficial enough to warrant taking your eyes off the road to look at what the car is seeing. Hope...

Good comparison.

Looking two places at once when your eyes will do just fine doesn’t seem like an aid - it seems like a distraction. Now, there are times when your eyes don’t see stuff - like how quickly you are approaching a stopped vehicle - but that’s where features like automatic collision avoidance are...

That’s an interesting point. But really, how does a computer graphic on a screen give you more peace of mind than your own view of the road? Putting any trust in a system beyond your own view of the road is risky - if anything relying upon a screen enhances that risk. Oh and CP360 re-engaging...

Did you not read the second paragraph of what you quoted above? Weird, man. Just weird.

Did you know that ____ must be getting paid by [Ford / Toyota / Etc] is THE most common retort around these parts to anything perceived as negative against Tesla? It’s pretty funny, really. I wish Ford paid me. Sadly it is the other way around. I’m paying Ford almost $60k (but Uncle Sam is good...

Oooof. Finally got around to watching this video. Some valid points, some very nitpicky stuff, and some gaping holes. Here is how I would compare Ford's CoPilot360 to Tesla's Autopilot from a driver comfort and convenience standpoint. This is based on my own extensive experience with the MME and...

“Full Self Driving” (it isn’t, and won’t be for a loooong time) is definitely superior to CoPilot 360, and will in many ways also be superior to the BlueCruise hands free driving rolling out this fall. But FSD costs TEN Gs so that’s not exactly an apples to apples comparison. All the branding...

Sure! But please be advised that you are engaging with a possible “troll” per the legal brief posted above LOL. 1. I think you’ll find the infotainment screen to be just a tad laggy as compared the MY. 2. There are a few software bugs with certain settings not being retained. Being told these...

I’ll respond to some of the other stuff above as time permits. For now, let’s talk “trolling.” I don’t consider myself a troll by my definition. I’m not deliberately trying to provoke or annoy people. As for a “Ford shill,” that might be closer to the mark, although unintentionally so. I bought...

I’m VERY late to this thread, but yes I obviously agree that the MY is more efficient than the MME. The two primary reasons are that it is several hundred pounds lighter, and has less drag. Both come at a cost. The weight savings result in a noisier ride. The better aero results in a Prius-like...

Alright, so here is current pricing of two most apples-apples trims: - MME Premium AWD Extended Range: $55,300. Add $400 for red and $600 for star white tri-coat. SUBTRACT $7,500 tax credit. - MYLR: $52,990. Add $1,000 to $2,000 if you want any color other than white LOL. NO TAX CREDIT. So if...

It does get points for that, from me and basically everyone else, including C&D. But as I said, the gap is closing and will continue to close because CCS will expand dramatically due its adoption by every other mfg. A diminishing advantage is not a great reason to buy inferior hardware in the...

Not trolling. Just using facts to play whack-a-mole.

1. Ok. LOL. 2. I've driven them both. The MY feels a bit roomier in the front thanks to its minimalist design. It actually feels more cramped in the second row. The rear cargo area looks a bit bigger but different publication disagree based upon what kind of luggage they were using. The MY is...

The MME is a significantly better value, currently, due to the $7,500 tax credit. I'll price this out for you in a bit. Looks are subjective, to a point, but the MME has widely been acknowledged as being far better looking, including a number of crowd tests. (And, it is better looking. A lot...

- CoPilot360 works great and seems to be on par with regular "AutoPilot" (man, what a name). - The "better nav suite" still isn't as good as Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. Suggesting that Tesla owners can easily have those things by adding another tablet to the car is both humorous and somewhat...

1. Improvements after a delivery could also be interpreted as an indictment of Tesla's "push it out - fix it later" philosophy. 2. The Model Y is not bigger, and the 3rd row option is an (expensive) gimmick. 3. Barely faster acceleration when compared against apples-to-apples trim lines. Even...

Wow. Car & Driver did not mince words in this head to head matchup. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a36847087/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-vs-2020-tesla-model-y-compared/ The simple truth is that the MY came to market a year earlier, allowing Ford to take aim and level it. The...

That isn’t manifesting itself, much, in cold weather range tests. The Mach E 4X is generally getting better range than the MYLR.

There were hiccups early on. Most of those issues seem to have been worked out now. Don’t get me wrong - Tesla still has the superior charging network - but the Mach E’s use of CCS is now what I would rate as “acceptable” and it has a LOT of advantages over the MY. Exactly. Factory nav is...