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As I mentioned the last time Elon shot off about an eminent but non-existent robotaxi service… until we see evidence of him hiring the engineers and staff to support billing, ride hailing, customer support, and emergency operators, this is a big vaporware. People in the industry talk, and if he...

The best part is that the Waymo is covered in cameras, while the punks only seem interested in hiding their faces from onlookers. They probably have full LiDAR scans of them!

I’m one of those owners. Based on Tesla’s lies, I believed full FSD was imminent in 2016

Exactly! I leased a 2016 Model S with FSD option because this video + statements from Elon misled me into thinking FSD was imminent. Needless to say, it was not delivered before my lease expired.

Latter was famously only at Tesla for a few months, compared to the 12 years he spent making his name at Apple. Musk has a knack for burning through talent.

Repeat buyer here. Leased a Model S in 2016. Replaced it with purchased 2019 Model S and 2019 model 3. Both have FSD. I’ve evangelized Tesla to all my friends and family since 2016. But not any more. FSD was a cheat. Car workmanship has been shoddy. Musk turned into a d-bag whose actions have...

So basically you use it to do long freeway drives, which are what you show here. That’s always where it has shined, and I’ve been using Autopilot on these same roads since 2016. But FSD on the city streets in San Jose is a wide-awake nightmare.

I live ten miles from the Fremont factory, where Tesla was HQ’ed before Elon wanted his big tax break. One of Tesla’s head service managers lives across the street. Doesn’t matter. It’s a parlor trick that still tries to run me into pedestrian crosswalk barriers ever time. Try before you buy...

Why is this an either / or? He could still dream big and just be honest.

I can understand that people want to give Musk the benefit of the doubt as “optimistic” or just “ambitious” when he misses his predictions. But he did truly give away that he’s a liar in 2019-2020. Specifically, when he was claiming that there would be a million Tesla robotaxis deployed by the...

I was in your shoes a few years ago and chose to buy FSD, both on a 2019 lease S and a 2019 purchased 3. I, too, was very concerned about the price increases if I postponed. Having just gotten the FSD on the lease and seen where it is compared to expectations, I now expect the price is more...

Finally got FSD on my 2019 Model S, 6 months before my lease ends. Yay! Decided to try it out on a one mile drive home from the big mall here in San Jose, CA mostly down a major residential / business street. Pros When pedestrians stepped into the street at the nearby garden, the car handled...

“That’ll teach you for believing my lies!”

The day he offers FSD buyers a refund is the day I’ll believe he’s getting better.

Very strongly considering CA small claims here. 90% sure I want to, but the issue is timing and doing the research. One of my Tesla’s is a June 2019 lease with FSD. In less than a year it goes back, with or without the FSD I paid for delivered to me. And if it gets activated a month before...

Yes. But the Robotaxi element in the question ALSO adds an entire level of software and systems development. Where is the evidence of Tesla software to manage fleets of self-driving cars, or billing, or reimbursement to vehicle owners, or scheduling, or any of the other aspects that Uber and...

We were all new buyers once. My feelings on FSD have gone about 180 degrees since I made my first lease in 2016 (“it’s all happening!”) to my purchase in 2019 (side-eye skepticism) to where I am now (anger). And I want to put the credit where it is due… Elon is a modern day PT Barnum, but it’s...

Excluding the area with possibly the highest Tesla-per-person ratio around would be some pretty bad optics, though.

If Gmail crashed, no one died.

Are you referring to Navigation on Autopilot (Beta), Autosteer (Beta), Summon (Beta), and Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Beta)? I don’t consider those actually released yet. And if they get you into trouble, I suspect Tesla doesn’t either.

I’m basing it on 5 years of ownership experience and the recurring problems that spring anew. ”Yikes, Truck Lust!” becomes “Argh, Phantom Braking!” becomes <insert 2022 problem here>.

I recommend waiting unless you are either happy with the current feature set for $10,000 or the money just isn’t a big deal. I suspect if Tesla rolls something out in the short term it’s going to be a disaster and get pulled back. Even if it ships successfully, do your own calculation on how...

That quote is literally from 2017, so apparently Tesla has been hiding this more advanced autonomous testing around the world for years now. :rolleyes:

Why have you made this grand leap to assume non-autonomous mode is their known public FSD testing, and therefore “autonomous testing” must be something better that is previously undisclosed? Non-autonomous data collection can be any level of engagement, including full driver control, and we...

I leased my Model S in early 2019. And I added the FSD option based on their marketing at the time of it being imminent. Yes, I know, sucker born every minute and so on. My lease is up in early 2022. I wonder if there is any action possible, seeing as they knew I had a three year window and are...