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Yep even more discounts announced: https://electrek.co/2022/12/22/tesla-offers-discounts-in-canada-mexico-raising-demand-concerns/ Stock down to 126

Tesla has a lot of issues though. The EV space no longer belongs to Tesla, their market share continues to shrink and competition has never been stronger. Demand in China is dropping and there are early signs here demand may be softening too. Throw in a likely recession, demand for vehicles in...

Good luck with that 🤣

Uhhh no I was only referring to and talking about stock price with yelobird. Obviously Tesla re sale values are still very good I never disputed that

I’ll wager it not only aged well but well but we are now at $140 and dropping like a rock. 😂

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-sinks-50-november-record-202622740.html Down to almost 200 bucks with a bullet. Company officially worth half of what it was now.

"Tesla’s shares have declined more than 40 percent since April 4 — a much steeper fall than the broad market, vaporizing more than $400 billion in stock market value. And the tumble has called attention to the risks that the company faces. These include increasing competition, a dearth of new...

True. But Tesla’s stock at its peak was a ridiculous bubble. Also curious to see how it fares when the bottom falls out of the auto market.

Hope you are right for a lot of peoples sakes. just broke into the 600’s going back and fourth. Closing in on 50% loss from its peak

Whatever you say warren Buffett. Buckle up!

Good for you, right now seems to be headed toward 300 with a bullet

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This didn’t age well lol

I drove the i4M50 on an autocross track. I can assure you it sure dosent handle like a pig, and it’s stupid fast to boot. As for range 227 is fine for most even if it could go 500 miles it’s not the type of car I’d ever want to go on constant road trips with regardless. Also BMW under estimates...

Glad I could help. Always happy to call out pretentious irrelevant flexing when I see it!

Good for you lol. Flex much? What does your irrelevant investments have to do with anything?

I see you live in FL. Good luck ever finding a Toyota EV there. Im shocked you were able to get a prime!

Yup the ride in the iX was amazing I was super impressed with the tech in that car, the suspension, the way it handled, the hud was the best I've ever seen. Also drive the i4M50 very impressive as well. Other car makers are definitely catching up which is a good thing, Tesla cant be the only...

Yet you are going to buy the car anyway as will probably most who are complaining. Until sales begin to fall off Tesla will continue to cut everything they possibly can with pretty much no penalty.

An electric car is a lifestyle change. It’s far different than buying a color TV or an iPad. There are still a mountain of issues that EVs have to overcome before they have a prayer of becoming truly mainstream. This will be a slow burn.

EV sales (overall not just Tesla) are still ridiculously small and not growing as fast as was expected. https://www.wired.com/story/evs-us-investment/amp GM/Ford ICE vehicles that are gas guzzlers like the Tahoe, Explorer, Jeeps big trucks etc are selling like hotcakes you can’t find them...

60-80? This is a joke right?

All that talk is super preliminary. Who knows what can even pass at this point and if Tesla vehicles will even qualify.

Nope. She made another ruling after that clarifying and pouring cold water on that plan. They essentially have only one shot and thats it. https://www.rollcall.com/2021/06/02/democrats-reconciliation-strategy-dealt-blow-senate-parliamentarian/

Very unlikely as they would have to pass just the climate part as their reconciliation (which they can only do once) and even that part would be watered down and they would have to abandon everything else. Outside of reconciliation it would have zero chance of passing the senate. I think the...

Ok show me any quotes or data you have that show that a stand-alone EV tax bill would get GOP support?

I agree a stand-alone EV tax credit bill would almost certainly be killed in the senate. McConnell has said in the past he’s totally against it.

It should have been part of the infrastructure bill IMO. The problem with carving it out as it’s own bill is it would no longer be under reconciliation and would be subject to fillibuster (which the GOP would 100%)

Schumer said the senate is going to move forward with a vote on what the house passed regardless if they have the votes or not to get everyone (manchin and sinema) “on record” so that is likely to happen first. That will probably take a few more weeks though as the parliamentarian hasn’t even...

Ahh ok gotcha. All fair points

Those vehicles you listed though are small subcompacts, not suitable for many families. I just read yesterday that huge full size gas guzzling SUV’s are still selling like crazy even with the insane pricing above MSRP right now. EVs unfortunately still have a ways to go to truly become...

The problem with that strategy is if they push him too far he could simply switch parties then he is senator in WV for life pretty much guranteed. The Dems know this which is why they have to they have to be careful with him. If he does that they lose the senate making passage of anything they...

To get anywhere near what Manchin says he will possibly accept they pretty much will have to start over. The plan B being floated in the house is a much slimmer version that would be paid over 10 years, pretty much a new bill. He was also adamant of it going through senate committee this time...

According to the "data for progress" a left organization that has a vested interest in BBB passing from a "poll" they did In march. LOL

LOL there is zero chance he is going to all of a sudden change his mind and vote for the bill all of a sudden as it is. Zero. Yes politicians change their minds but rarely do they do so when they are this definitive. Flat out just changing his mind now would be political suicide. He pretty much...

If you read the article all it said is he let them say their piece and stated his position. The house bill that passed is pretty much dead. Changing his mind now after written press statements and interviews declaring he is a no would be political suicide. If there is going to be a BBB it will...

I doubt they would get the progressive caucus to agree to smaller bill, some have already said they won't settle for significantly less than they agreed to and feel shafted by Manchin, not to mention they have to go all the way back to square one in an election year now, EV credits are a long...

There will be some I’m sure but I doubt it will be a massive amount.

Yep I think this is the death knell for BBB. He even officially informed the president and senate leadership he said.

Bad news for the BBB bill this morning. Never say never but Manchin said this morning he’s tried everything and with inflation, COVID etc is a firm no. Manchin says he 'cannot vote' for Build Back Better: 'I've done everything humanly possible'

So he basically said he wants it at 1.75 trillion or less over 10 years and to assume all the provisions would be permanent. The child tax credit itself would be about that amount so if that’s left in under his calculus literally everything in the bill would have to be cut. Basically put them in...

Also tweet from NBC senate reporter: “Another reason why BBB not gonna happen by Christmas: The process w the parliamentarian is taking a long time. Senate Finance still hasn’t begun the bipartisan “Byrd bath” process, per Wyden, who told us earlier this week there were more than 20 issues...

Yep they are pretty much out of time at this point to have a prayer by Christmas, the inflation scores sealed it’s fate for this year with manchin I think. He just Dosent seem to be in any rush.

If manchin wants an excuse to flat out vote no, he definitely has one.

Lol I don’t think you know what you are talking about here or how parking in NYC works…

A lot of older leaf’s you’ll be lucky if they will go over 60 miles.

This is a cut and paste from an nbc news article explains pretty well how difficult it will be to get this passed before christmas as time is rapidly running out, and I was incorrect earlier although they reached deals verbally senate votes on the NDAA and debt ceiling haven't happened yet: Yet...

Correct much of the process with the parliamentarian is actually informal and done through memos. There is no grand ceremony or anything like that. Each side can make arguments for or against and she makes the final decision. The only things I’m aware of that she’s shot down so far were the two...

I think it’s more likely than not the Union boost will get cut at this point

Forget just manchin. It hasn’t even gone through the parliamentarian “Byrd Bath” yet. There are a bunch of things in the bill that she could very well axe before it even gets to manchin. That being said the NDAA and debt ceiling went through faster than expected so the path is technically clear...