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I disagree. I think a big problem is by having an L3 situation, you would have to limit the other parts of FSD. For instance, my understanding of the BMW L3 is it goes under 37 mph and follows a car but won't change lanes. So for Tesla to copy that, while L3 is activated, all other FSD...

I'm in the same boat, sitting on the 69 still and have been in beta since it first went wide with the 100 scores for 10.2 or whatever. Kind of sucks to be weeks behind others who got this new update.

as diplomat said, you can't really think of levels as being "better' necessarily. Technically someone could put out a level 3 system that only works on a single 100 yard long road in San Francisco and it still counts as being level 3. It would be entirely useless to 99.99999% of the population...

I voted no, I could see them going level 3 in certain situations like some highways or interstates. I don't see level 4 unless it is something that is a tiny area and not available to the fleet of cars across all states by the end of the year.

Till when, do you punish a system that is "lvl 3" and doesn't need driver input because the driver isn't paying attention? Who makes these decisions? Just because a company calls something level 3, doesn't mean it truly is safe.

I really think Tesla needs to embrace the personal account and business account concept that so many companies take. He keeps touting robotaxi as the reason for the high pricetag but a large majority of the people who bought this are never going to taxi out their personal car for a few extra...

I don't think any classification will work the way it is currently being developed. Cars like whichever one in Germany can do such a limited situation on the autobahn but is level 3 is weird to call it level 3. Even with this new system, you can't call it one of these classifications because it...

Well even the question of 50 cities is not well defined. If it just means a presence in the city with a very small footprint only around downtown. I did 2025-2030. If it actually means fully in the city (can do highways and suburbs and such), then I would pick after 2030

Anyone know what that blue button on the navigation is when you are using fsd?

gotta say, Light show is a lot of fun. Havne't tried the FSD with the update yet but if phantom braking is better, I'm all good.

Yep, been on since 10.1 with a 100 score, no update yet. Hopefully we get it before Christmas.

Since it is still level 2, I would love if they just took that feature away made it so you had to approve the decision to pass a stopped vehicle. Like others, I've had the car try to so this over 10 times since beta began ok 10.1 and it has been wrong 100% of the time

might as well chime in. I've had FSD beta since 10.1 and drive on a somewhat similar road to this daily. It is a little more populated and a speed limit of 40, but still a 2 lane road with some curves on it. Since day one(even before when just using AP), my car can sometimes drift on the...

yeah, my bad, I had forgot which version was first. Already, with passengers, I don't use FSD door to door, but I still like to use it on straightaways(basically lane assist with cruise control). But with the phantom braking, its just not feasible right now. I guess I could make another...

yeah it does, but I have never had issues this bad until 10.5. Like I said, it makes it a pretty miserable drive. Used to be very rare, now its every mile no matter the road or conditions.

sorry, I don't think I wrote it out clearly. It is not tied to accelerating, car will be driving 44 mph down a road, then suddenly do a quick brake for no reason at all, but only down to about 38 mph, then go back up. This is bad enough, but it is consistent and happens at least every mile or...

I have not kept up with the forum since 10.5, but I'm sure everyone else is having the same issues. I've had FSD since the first batch at 10.1 with a 100 score. This is the worst version for driving. I think it has some improvements for how it handles situations like changing lanes, it appears...

Does your car still say 10.3? and you can use FSD?

originally the button was to download FSD beta, not to apply to get in. So the real question would really be do you think anyone who wants the FSD beta(and paid for it) can get it by the end of the year.

Interesting. I got it but feel like it is what I expected. Some drives are amazing and no interventions needed. Some are lacking or too hesitant in certain areas. But I've also watched a lot of beta videos so I knew it was far from perfect. I guess some just had expectations too high since...

Just had a 10 mile drive that included a lot of things but low traffic outside of Interstate and not one disengagement. Couple of small issues On a merge onto a street with a yeild, it came to a stop for like 5 seconds even though it was clear. Nobody was behind me so I could be patient but if...

So this brings up a very interesting point to me. As drivers of a car, we all are required to have insurance in case of an accident. This could range from like maybe $800 - $3000 a year (no actual clue the full range so just throwing out numbers). If one day, a tesla could really do L4 or even...

Except it logged my rides this morning using fsd just fine. But now it is gone. BTW, I would be totally fine to not see it and have to worry about it anymore.

I really hope they keep going down the list and give it to more people. The safety score is such a game, my first day I got a 96, then had a 100 every other day because I was able to figure out how to game it. I don't think I was a better driver those days at all. If someone is down in the 30s...

good point, just did it.

I can try it out, where do you do that? The thing that makes me think this is not the issue is my car is only a couple of months old and it doesn't have an issue at any other lights.

Oh, I absolutely have FSD beta. I have done a few test runs and my last run (5 miles each way), the only intervention I had was having to accelerate through a green light. It wasn't the normal indicator that pops up like on AP pre FSD. It just comes to a stop at a green light for some reason...

curious if anyone else can test this scenario for me. My FSD is having trouble going through a green light -- it was a stop sign 3 months ago and they put up a stoplight. So the car stops at the green light and I have to think it is due to it used to being a stop sign. So if anyone knows of...

While yeah, he 100% should have put the brakes on and stopped the car, I'm always curious what the car would actually do if you let it go. I'm not willing to ever do that, but like cases where it looks like it will crash into construction zone stuff, would it brake at the last second or just ram it?

Thats like saying anyone who got the performance model should be excluded. If they at least prove they can be super cautious and get a 100 score in the 2 weeks, they should have it.

I think you are underestimating just how many people may have pushed the button without being on forums and watching beta videos online. There is nothing we could say that would get it shutdown. Chuck has come out and said (with a lot of followers) that it is far from perfect and need to be very...

from the looks in other threads, it sounds like scores were locked in Friday (maybe during the safety score downtime). There are others who hit 100 after that and didn't get in, and some who went down from 100 to 99 after that but still got it.

Just did my first drive with beta, wasn't nearly as jerky as others were saying, there was a phantom brake once. Some other notes, it didn't turn right on red at with not a soul in sight, looked like the car just wasn't going to do it. It also stopped at a green light -- the light is only a...

Actually, I think it is important to discuss how bad it may be. It could help some realize this is not in a great state and you must be super careful to use it. I think the biggest aspect to this going wider is safety and no accidents.

Like others, I hit a 100 score on Thursday with 300 miles and have the email and updating now. Score was a 99.54 rounded up to 100

yes and no. Because of how it all works, I'd say they are the most state of the art in parts of Phoenix. For many of us, if you live nearly anywhere else in the country, they are not the most state of the art anymore since you have 0 access to them. In TX, Tesla is the most state of the art...

LOL, the release this morning was officially "Friday" even though not one person would get the release on Friday. So I'd guess his Sunday /Monday thing is actually Monday or Tuesday morning.

It would really suck if someone had a 100 and gets bumped with the new date because of a different method of choosing due to much more people getting a 100 with the extra time. This would only be true if they don't give it to everyone who has a 100.

well, if people are willing to pay $10k for this feature, surely they are also willing to drive a certain way for 2 weeks to get it.

If you watch the beta videos, I'd say yes if you are not paying attention and just trust that the car will be perfect, it will absolutely get in a wreck at some point.

agreed, if you don't respond to nags from AP, it means you likely won't for FSD beta either, and since it is just a beta and will likely cause a crash if you aren't paying attention, they need people who are fully attentive.

yeah, I started at a 96 and have had all 100s since then, today I finally got my overall score back up to a 100/100. By my math, it is a 99.505% which rounds up.

Well, started with a 96, had a 100 every day since and was at a 99 for at least a week, and finally today got up to a 100 score. Took about 100 miles today to get it, but now time to not drive for a couple of days and hope Elon stays to his word(haha) about everyone with a 100 getting it.

anyone know how many decimal places are rounded for score? By my weighted calc for my score, I had a 96 day one and have been 99 for a while. I drove some today and I have my score at 99.4733, which still shows a 99 score. So is it rounded at the tenths place? So I need a straight up 99.5 to...

started with a 96 score, and am up to a 98. Some quick math shows I can get to a 99 with about 10 more miles(I don't drive all that much). But to get to a 100, I would need about 150 miles. I guess 99 is likely to be my max.

Lol, I can wait, it's just a shame you can't check online or anywhere else.

Do those of us with an android have any way to see our score? The app is the only way right now?

If it was Oct 1, he would be very purposefully lying to everyone. He knows how everyone took the tweet and has had plenty of opportunity to fix it and clarify if he really meant Oct 1. Maybe I'm still naive, but I still believe it was a week from Friday which would be Sept 24 (this Friday).

It is just important to really understand that L4 is not necessarily better than L2. It depends on what you need it for. L5 is the holy grail, and everything below that is just different versions of trying to get to L5. For instance, if you own your car, you probably love tesla's approach...

That is my hope, but those of us in vision only cars for the most part are stuck on older software versions so I dind't know if that affected updates to FSD and the button.