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No obligation, particularly to someone who fulfils the psychological concept of ‘confirmation bias’ As for ‘put your money where your mouth is’ - sell all your assets & invest it all in TSLA since they’re going to $4K by 2024 & ‘let us know how it goes’

Tesla has done more than tweets

Let me dumb it down further for you - contract words do not absolve an entity of their legal responsibilities.

My extreme example was to dumb down reality, as many people think simplistically like yourself, making a good ‘superficial argument’

Umm, no. In simple terms, yes I can defer to contract words. But not if I undertake ‘unconscionable conduct’ whereby, say, I advertise all over national tv & electronic media every day for the next 1,000 days straight the exact opposite & then I say “sorry, I didn’t mislead you, the contract...

Contract words are irrelevant if other statements induce action by the consumer

If statements, whether they be verbal (such as autonomy day April 2019) or on Twitter (such as late 2016), are not QUALIFIED as being aspirational, then there may well be legal liability, regardless of what printed words on a website or paper contract state. Only a judge ultimately decides, but...

Bravo. Good stuff dude. I will be doing the same for both of my cars & take it further as necessary

‘Reasonable’ test A judge will ask what would a reasonable person define as ‘future’? I would expect the judge will look at public statements made by Tesla/Musk in determining how far in future is ’reasonable’.

I have the Hansshow version & it’s worked flawlessly. Haven‘t yet understood why a kick sensor can’t be offered for it, as with the Model 3 I have a kick sensor for the trunk

They lean forward. You didn’t consider this? And FSD is supposed to be BETTER than a human…

Deceiving consumers, thousands of them, is a real problem

Actually he stated it would be by 2017

Website statements & printed contract words are not sufficient to legally get off

Well comparative pictures suggest they didn’t allow for visual obstructions

This speaks volumes. Tesla is in potential trouble Thankyou @verygreen

Yes, this makes a huge difference

Anyone got video of a hairpin bend on a dirt road? What about oncoming cars on a dirt road?

Human eyes are a lot further forward when leaning

Seems like FSD is struggling with unprotected left turns, because the B pillar cameras are too far back. The improvements with each firmware update are marginal. Will Tesla need to retrofit cars with side facing cameras in the headlights or side blinkers?

Seems an odd choice since CCS2 has become the standard for EVs

Tesla has made repeated false representations on FSD. I’m surprised by the lack of lawsuits

Now with federal Senators raising the issue of FSD ‘legality’ & the NHTSA probe into autopilot instigated, it’s certain that lawsuits will become prevalent

The Nevera achieved the performance in roughly 2018. It’s also their first ‘mass’ production effort & hence well beyond the performance of Roadster 1.0 - Tesla’s first ‘mass’ produced car

No. That would, by & large, require the absence of a nuclear fusion reactor

Nikola a lot like Theranos ”fake it till you make it“

The first ‘mass produced’ EV hypercar is awesome. Soon there’ll be hypercars running 7s for the quarter mile

Mind blowing what Mate Rimac has achieved with the Nevera. Has literally left the performance car segment well into the rear view mirror. Outstanding engineering!

Reckon it’ll be bankrupt by year’s end

In future, space flight may be severely curtailed as fossil fuel usage becomes borderline criminal, in a more morally advanced society’s eyes. Moon & Mars travel may well be banned

Hopefully it’s available with the tow bar from day 1

Regulatory approval is not holding up a Tesla robotaxi. Tesla is holding it up, with their FSD being in infancy. Hence, ‘regulatory approval’ is a fallacious red herring

No, his tweet was highly misleading. ‘Regulatory approval’ is an obvious, fallacious red herring. Functionality is miles off real world application.

Because tweets such as this are unconscionable: (a bit like promising Model S ”starts deliveries next month“, only to be drip released 5 months later)

Vision cannot see a brick wall Pretty sure a 3 year old can (considering people have tried to equate FSD beta to a teenager)

Interesting numbers in this thread that a third will be or are already talking action this year & half by the end of next year. My guess is the floodgates will open if the well publicised case is successful

2 applicants means they have a corroborating witness & civil cases are ‘balance of probabilities’ not ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ (this is of course separate to Elon tweets & public statements & past statements made on Tesla’s website & marketing videos)

Proof is a separate issue to legal principle

L5 is anywhere at all time Hairpin bend on a dirt road with oncoming traffic is a legitimate scenario for a robotaxi service - just ask YouTube FSD beta tester ‘Dirty Tesla’. I don’t think regulators will be the barrier to the robotaxi service come 2022; Tesla will be

I note, as per the thread heading, the judge has allowed the case to proceed implying that, on the surface, the plaintiffs have a legitimate grievance. So we await the outcome, which if successful could encourage others where cost is currently a barrier

No that’s incorrect. Order agreement clauses do not absolve statutory & common law legal obligations. Or in more simple terms, a company cannot absolve itself of responsibility by writing something in a contract

It comes from the thread: After what time has passed would you consider an FSD class action lawsuit? There is also a thread: Lawsuit over FSD claims allowed to proceed

Umm, yes. An employee of Tesla is Tesla. Regardless of whether that employee is sales rep Bob Gonzalez or chief exec Elon Musk. When an employee speaks/tweets, Tesla speaks/tweets.

Here is a quote from another thread which beautifully illustrates, from a legal perspective, the legal problems Tesla has:

What an enlightening exposition

Bingo! That also includes other FSD verbal & tweeted representations made by its CEO, which is also Tesla

I’d argue that when there are so many repeated & doubled down statements, it can no longer be accepted as blind optimism. I wonder if a legal argument for fraud can be made or at least unconscionable conduct

Can’t see how robotaxis will be ready to go by year’s end. Cars are struggling with something as simple as unprotected left turns, when are there are miles more complex situations to handle

Frankston?

Any news on Franksto?