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My June 2022 MIC car does not have this issue. I’ve even had to lower it a bit to stop it blowing in my eyes.

I have a Karcher and it has a vario power lance that is perfect for the car and a standard pressure washer lance that I can use for the ground. Although I picked up a T-Racer surface cleaner for the drive/patio as it won’t flick stones and dirt everywhere.

I think range and charge speed optimisations would always be welcome.

Just to be clear on the 250kW. The LG will hit that as I have done that with a charger. I suspect you meant it drops down from 250kW earlier.

I was referring to the 0-60 which was a little quicker. Regardless differences were minute. That extra torque from the motor was confirmed at least. Rather than battery output the wheel power output vs SoC may be more interesting. It would need to be on a dyno for that though. From your link...

The latest M3P was quicker. Who knows after aero effects became notable, one car was behind the other. We are talking about absolutely tiny differences though.

Great detail. So the motors with the LG 5L are putting out more despite the battery not providing more power. Also supported by the quicker 0-60mph time in the LG until aero effects take over like you mention and the slipstreaming vehicle benefits. However we are talking such minuscule...

There’s limited data on the European side to be conclusive. I looked at some similar YouTube videos using dragy, on a road rather than a track or drag strip. They were all between 3.88 and 3.91s on normal roads. Back to back (or side to side) is the only way we are going to ever know which one...

Despite the difference in battery output the acceleration is not impacted. Lower SoC will be interesting. Really he needs to have 2 cars with each battery and test them back to back. At least you will be able to do this now.

I see Bjorn Nyland has tested the 0-60 of the MYP. It’s running at 3.88s. Looking at US tests they are also 3.88-3.91s. Basically the same.

Pirelli PZero for the BMW. We can’t really just compare tyres. It’s very hard to do this when it’s a manufacturer variant like Tesla T0. The compound, grip etc. can and almost certainly will be different. Getting those low 3s 0-60 times needs a really good tyre.

They really should rename rare earths. They are not rare. When they were first discovered they were but not anymore.

Depends on your driving habits and if it is very new then it will take a while to calibrate the battery. On the way back from France I left mine at a supercharger and it got to 530km and was still going at 3kw even though the battery had reached 100%. There’s probably a few more miles there but...

No problems with my Q2 2022 M3P. No clicking or blowing on my knees. I adjusted the upper vent down a bit as it was blowing in my face and drying my eyes but apart from that all is good.

So it is possible the category 3 change is a part in this assembly, possibly then enabling the higher output in the CoC documentation. If there is a schematic for both of these assemblies we may be able to spot the different part number in there somewhere.

Probably traction limited as the weight difference should give a notably faster time.

I wondered more beyond the battery what the drive unit is. Both drive unit and electric motor are referred to which suggests that drive unit is more than the motor. Perhaps this is where the difference is. Not the battery that we know has it’s own code 3L/5L etc. the drive unit has a reference...

Thanks. I know you are right, we will struggle to ever find the differences. It could be as you mentioned before a subtlety in the amp rating (maybe different mosfets of something like that) that are enabling the higher power output. Clearly the difference is subtle enough to only need the...

My point is it is still the power consumption and not the power output. We don’t know what the differences are for these category 2 and category 3 drive units other than they have a different power output rating. Someone would need to put them on a dyno to understand the output more. I don’t...

Very interesting. There’s definitely a lot of unknowns with these variations in configurations. The graphs appear to show differences in how long the torque remains high for as well (assuming the scale along the bottom is the same). With relying on the power consumption from the battery...

Do we know the torque and power vs rpm curves for these motors? There must be a physical difference somewhere. They wouldn’t have changed from a cat ii to cat iii without some kind of difference. Is the 260kw the output from the shaft or the consumed power value?

Do we know yet what was actually changed between the 3D6 cat. ii and cat. iii? Changing both battery and electric motors at the same time and only allow the new battery to be used with the new electric motor was not a coincidence.

Good to know. Having experienced the previous vehicle and now the new one I can’t tell any difference between them. Seems like it is so subtle that we probably wouldn’t even see a difference in a drag race. More data points for the LG would be very useful especially in the same conditions, road etc.

Release notes. No idea if we got it.

2022.16.3 just got the notification. Auto brake when regeneration is not available is nice, will keep the car consistent when the battery is full. Accounting for weather forecast in the range is also pretty useful!

Can probably start removing some of the ones that have collected their cars. We’re not waiting anymore :D

Very keen to see this. Has anyone collected any real world performance (0-60 etc.) data on the latest M3P with this battery and 3D6 cat iii?

The cat iii is 235 kw. We only have 1 data point, max input power (same as cat ii) and max output power (higher than cat iii). We need to see the full power consumption to power output curve across the entire rpm/speed range. Also I doubt the cat ii is anything like 97% across it’s entire rpm range.

The max power consumption is equal to the cat ii so it must be producing more power/has less losses. Equal max power consumption but higher power output. Someone needs to run these cars against each other, maybe like Matt Watson.

The basis for the efficiency and power is that the cat iii is producing more power output for the same power input I.e. less energy is lost. At a minimum it is giving 393/377 4.2% (if we are crudely comparing the total, it’s higher if we just compare the cat ii to cat iii). It is basically...

Exactly the same as mine. Told you @blower the latest ones have the higher power motor.

Not the higher power cat iii. There are 2 variants of the 3D6. Those come with the cat ii. Same power consumption for more power. Means you are going to get the same acceleration regardless. If you look at the battery in isolation then your view is skewed. Completely offsets the difference in...

Not the cat iii variant that is used in the MYP (with 5L) and now the M3P with 5L. Cat ii is 219kw and cat iii is 235kw with the same max power consumption.

3L with the cat iii higher power motors are not cleared for sale in Europe. They have cat ii. Only the 5L can legally have the cat iii. Consult the other thread if in doubt.

The Panasonic ones do not have the latest motor. That was never applied for in the conformance documentation. As we know from the other thread the max power consumption specs of the new motor are the same but it outputs more power. It runs more efficiently.

343. I posted about this the other day. As I said the range changes here also decreased the LR. This was widely reported on this forum for the UK. We don’t get special vehicles coming out of China.

LR decreased AMD Ryzen Affects The Range Of New Tesla Cars It’s the Ryzen plus extra GPU you now have to use. My range has not decreased with the 5L.

No that was the Ryzen. Cars have come since then with the same range with the 3L battery and older motors. We are talking the cars that came in the last 2 weeks that have the 5L with new motor there has not been any stat changes for this extremely recent update. Even then the long range didn’t...

The power and efficiency increased. It’s discussed in this thread Model Year 2022 Refresh M3/MY Up to 9% more efficient. We would have seen the range drop with the new battery which we have not. Hairpin winding on the stator is one of the changes.

With the more efficient motors so it balances out and the range doesn’t change. Really enjoying my M3P. Driven down to Le Mans Classic in France. Managing 300 miles on the motorway at 130km/h

I’m in a terrace in London but do have a drive so don’t have an issue. However if I didn’t I would have a cut out into the pavement so that I could run the cable through it.

My M3P is running 2022.11.102 I’ve switched the update to advanced. How long is it typically before I get a new version?

Mine was dirty and had zero swirls. I did see some car washing going on but either they weren’t washing them all or they weren’t doing more than a quick rinse. I gave the car a detailed at the weekend.

Plus the tyres can be different. For example an off the shelf Pirelli PZero is going to be different from a T0. Different compounds, different grip, noise levels etc.

This worries me also. I’ve been waiting 3 months for a smart meter. They keep telling me there are none available but I just got one installed on another property a couple of streets away under a different energy provider. I’ll be jumping ship from them if they don’t sort it soon.

It has some short ones already attached and some long ones in the boot.

It was the base model Y going up by $2k

US prices have gone up again so inevitably UK will too.

I left in Chill mode just to keep it easy and then switched to Sport. Holy ****. It is crazy.

Mine’s charging at 32A right now. Are you sure it’s not a variable load system that is blocking it or you have accidentally reduced the charging A in the settings? Also mine is showing 342 miles for full charge.