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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    …but at least in the latest software update you get another game and Bluetooth game controller support. Anyone know of any Bluetooth parking cameras that can be operated off a games controller? Grow up Tesla, and focus on the things your customers have paid for / care about.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Let me know when you go legal. Will join you…
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Only had 2 updates in 8 months relating to AP. At least it’s 100% more than Tesla farting.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Yes had phantom braking in roadworks triggered by gaps in the concrete safety wall - terrifying for me and I’m sure cars behind. Personally I wouldn‘t buy a Tesla (again). I have never known a company to have so little consideration of its customers. Every promise is a lie. They are just as...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    I am with Frankb70. Paid for features advertised by Tesla, received nothing for my money, and then took the sucker punch of the price drop crashing its residual value. Sadly in the UK we don’t get any incentives from Tesla or the government, so have nothing to offset the totally p155ed off...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Wouldn’t trust them to not find something else they can remove in pursuit of stupid ideas like Tesla Vision, or profitability…
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Or better still refund the money they have already taken for those customers they duped into believing anything worthwhile was “coming soon”.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Don’t forget downgradability when Tesla feels like it!
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    So apparently Model Ys are now shipping with hardware 4.0 that changes the cameras, introduces radar and has an updated computer so that EAP/FSD will start working again. I guess this is what they meant by ”Coming Soon” when they palmed off non-USS cars to people all over the world with lots of...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Welcome to the forum Marimar02. You have made a very wise decision cancelling EAP before Tesla got their hands on it and gave you nothing in return. It is a complete waste of money. And yes I suspect you are right about the price drop. Tesla knows they are trying to punt deficient cars that...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Sadly sitting here watching a programme about EVs. Hondas, Mercedes, BMWs, Polestars, Skodas etc all doing self-parking, summon etc. Where did Tesla leadership go? Oh yes, they disabled these features after taking our money, and now seeming can’t re enable them because of their stupid decision...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    I also signed off on “coming soon” last November - so when am I going to get the features they‘ve taken my money for? Feeling pretty fraudulent now…
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    They seek a waiver because it lets them keep the money you have paid for all the features they have disabled, rather than do the right thing and refund you.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Not sure about panic mode, more deeply p1ssed off mode. Tesla has (and continues to) charge anyone who paid for Enhanced Autopilot or Full Self Driving not inconsiderable sums of money, and then delivers cars not just with all these features disabled, but even the most basic of capabilities...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    BREAKING NEWS: Tesla employee says cameras have got much better (and presumably receives bonus for spin). Might want to ask him how since there has only been one release of software (excluding a bug fix) enabling Park Assist. No camera updates. And it works when reversing with the rear camera...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Sadly we don’t all live in the US. No rebates, just vertical depreciation.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Tesla winning the race to the bottom…fastest depreciating cars in the world! £70,000 reasons why you can’t trust them and why I’d never buy another one…
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Seems like a pretty thorough review of the deficiencies of Tesla Vision, and reinforces the over optimistic hope that Tesla will be able to make it work as well as USS without additional / changed hardware. No real surprise…vision can’t and will never be able to see through things like the...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Tesla selling cars direct £10k+ cheaper than they made first uk customers pay 6 months ago…
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Would I buy another Tesla after this experience…no. Would I like to get rid of this one…yes, but can’t afford to since they have destroyed its resale value with price cuts and removal of features. Telsa‘s arrogance will be its undoing. The world, and competition, has moved on since they could...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Had it 3 times within 6 months, always with Autopilot on, in sections of motorway under maintenance, just when it would be most useful to maintain speed control and distance in heavy traffic. Surprised it hasn’t caused an accident as it is so brutal. As you say, I wouldn’t use it anymore - 0...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    So Ford is the first company to get approval for handsfree driving on British motorways. First driverless car approved for British motorways...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Welcome to a world view of Tesla. Some of us got screwed by Tesla at full price, and live in markets where there is no tax credit, and still got hit by price adjustments determined to suit US consumer tax policies. Tesla have brought this criticism on themselves by removing contracted features...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    If someone thinks that it can be accurate to 1” and it’s actually only accurate to 20”, does that mean you could have parked your car 19” into the wall? Seriously worse than nothing at all if it is that variably inaccurate.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Maybe they should not have taken our money for features that are disabled (parking sensors being only one of the capabilities they withdrew). Maybe they should have considered customers a little more. Fraud is fraud. They did not deliver the car that I ordered and paid for. Do I want to be a...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Loving the resounding yeehas on what people are seeing! The most common comment…I’m sure it’ll get better over time - hardly glowing endorsement…more muted thank goodness they have actually delivered something, even if it doesn’t work that well in lots of situations.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    I suspect we are in the majority. I am also still on the 2023.2.12 release. Anything after this appears to have very limited numbers of installs to date. You just need to be patient I have found. Tesla will get around to updating you when they feel like it.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    We might get 2023.6.9, but it might not include Park Assist - it does not seem confirmed for UK yet.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    So how long is ”Coming Soon” in the parallel universe of Tesla? 6 months now… At what point would a judge consider the claim to be a lie, and the taking of customers money to be under false pretence? About now?
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Sadly we’ve seen these (possibly mocked up) graphics based stories before, but with no video proof. Apparently it is available for non-USS cars…who in their right mind would have paid for FSD on a non-USS car with so many features disabled. Must be a VERY small test community! And apparently...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Amazing isn’t it…not a single regulator anywhere in the world seems to be calling them out for continuing misadvertising, and failure to deliver paid for functionality without offering a refund. I guess Tesla has realised that since they haven't delivered FSD anytime since the advertised 2019...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    For my 2 cents, I’d just like my car to be as advertised with features I have paid for. I believe it is called fraud when you don’t supply that. Why would anyone in their right mind give £70k to a fraudster…oh because we didn’t know we were being conned by Tesla until the last minute, when they...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Showing themselves up to be manufacturers of highly over priced average cars. They are letting their previous market lead position disappear at a phenomenal rate by poor engineering and product management decisions, and even worse customer care. Suffice to say that my next or ever again car will...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    I agree - screws over customers who took delivery and now can’t sell without a huge loss, and suckers in new customers who haven’t done their research properly and realised they are over paying for a car that is missing basic features even at the lower price.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    It is 145 days (getting on for 6 months) since Tesla screwed over its new car customers, replacing paid for features with “coming soon” and “temporarily disabled” statements. Since then we have additional farting capability, Auld Lang Syne and a variable temperature for our steering wheel...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Thanks, respecting your expertise timing is still just speculation though? I certainly agree with you on autopilot not being perfect with the phantom braking incidents I have had! Test drove a Volvo and their solution seemed much smoother and more confidence inspiring.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Intrigued…what facts do you base your opinion on regarding availability? I am definitely interest in an explanation how a camera based system that can’t see over the extremities of the car will know about objects in those blind spots before it starts moving? Fancy buying my car off me if it’s...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    I wonder whether UK consumer law has more teeth. This has all the fundamentals of breach of the Sale of Goods Act in advertising features, deferring fulfilment (“coming soon”) and then not delivering in a reasonable timeframe. I also have in writing from Tesla that my car will require no...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Weren’t they all Enhanced Autopilot features? (Using the past tense cos after removal of USS they certainly aren’t current or IMO without hardware being reintroduced ever likely to be in the future). https://electrek.co/2022/12/06/tesla-radar-car-next-month-self-driving-suite-concerns/...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Love this bit… For probably the past 20 or so years I’ve never had a USS sensor stop working on any car because of dirt etc. For 3 months since getting my vision only Tesla, I’ve rarely had a journey without a camera being blocked or blinded. The future is bright (or it would be if the cameras...
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Must have USS…Summon etc deactivated on non-USS cars:
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Can’t see a post right in front of the car! Speechless!
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    October 8 2022…weren’t cars still being shipped with USS then? I thought it was cars being built during October and later that lost USS? There were certainly lots of cars being delivered in November with USS according to posts. Can you a share a photo of your bumpers?
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Do you get any beeps, or is this yet another thing you need to be looking at with your 12 eyes able to look in every direction at once? 🤔
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Absolutely do NOT buy a Y now. IMHO they will have to put hardware back in as the camera system has way too many physical flaws (can’t see extremities of car, gets blocked/blinded by just about everything, very poor resolution cameras especially at night) that can’t be overcome by software.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Thankfully air travel has regulators that make sure manufacturers deliver on promises.
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    2023 Model Y no USS discussion, incl. Discussion of Tesla Vision Firmware

    Nope. Once they have your money they really don’t care about you.